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Posted: 10:33 AM - Sep 30, 2015
Dee Ann Buck
Irish History was not my main interested in college or after. I do have a degree in History from Towson State. I am more interested in colonial American History.
So I have lots to read. Quaker records in Ireland as not as "meaty" as the ones I have read and depended upon in US.
Posted: 10:43 AM - Sep 30, 2015
Cb
I have a degree in Civil Engineering so I am starting from scratch. The more history I read the more I enjoy it and to want to read more.
Posted: 8:09 AM - Oct 01, 2015
Dee Ann Buck
I do believe our Elizabeth Fox born 1647 Ireland? died 1734 PA married Wm. Cook, first husband and father of her four children. I have the names of her children and looking to confirm names of her grandchildren. My closest mtDNA matches I believe are linking up over in Ireland or England.
1. Roy B. Isbell has his oldest known ancestress has Margaret Wakefield born in Ireland, member of Quaker Society removed to colonies, died in NC. She was a preacher among the Society. This family appears to have links with Hiatt and Ogden both Quaker families that lived in Loudoun Co. VA removed all over US.
2. Bertha Apple she only had her oldest known ancestress as Louisa Wingler (1854-1905). I have been able to piece together her oldest known (to me) as Margaret Jones born 1680 died 1737 Westmoreland Co. VA married Richard Watts. I have Family Finder matches with her various surnames but looking for researchers who descend from the following couples. This line links up with Michael's Strother
A. Margaret Jones b. 1680 VA? d. 1737 Westmoreland Co. VA m. Richard Watts, could have matches with his siblings
B. Margaret Watts b. 1700 d. 1754 m. Wm. Strother
C. Margaret A. Strother b. 1726 d. 1786 m. John Robbins
D. Mary Robbins b. 1760 m. Joseph Roberts
E. Sarah Roberts m. John Haynes
F. Catherine Haynes b. 1827 m. John S. Wingler
G. Louisa Wingler b. 1854 d. 1905
3. Raymond C. Coontz only has Davis as oldest known female surname England? or Wales.
All these other kits points to our Elizabeth Fox could be born in Ireland, but I will be looking to see if her mother removed into Ireland from Wales.
The families of Wakefield, Odgen and Hiatt were members of the same Quaker Meeting House in Lurgan, Ireland. I am looking for generation older than 1700 for that the estimated birth year of Martha Wakefield born in Ireland removed to colonies dies 1794 in NC. and wife of George Hiatt in US.
People have on ancestry the family of Joseph Wakefield b. 1744 died 1821 married to Hannah Christy, but he was born in London, England died Ireland. L.D.S. #571396 has listing of their children and some of their grandchildren. This Joseph's wife name given as Anne, but Hannah can be given also as Ann.
Various trees on Ancestry take said Joseph's ancestry back into England and one location Yorkshire, England. But at first look I can't see a solid lead to the ancestry of our Martha Wakefield.
I hope to find better sources for this Quaker Meeting House, for this is the location of our Irish Families. I see surnames which will intermarry down the line with our Mackay.
Posted: 8:18 AM - Oct 01, 2015
Dee Ann Buck
If you do a full search on Ancestry-- type in George Fox born 1664 Lurgan, Ireland parents John and Ann Fox. Up will pop another George Fox born Horninghold, Leicestershire, England. Wife Jane Palmer. This is the family of the famous George Fox of England and Colonies belongs.
We want the George Fox member of Lurgan MM born in Ireland (could be Dublin) parents given as John & Jane Fox and he also married a woman named Jane. Their children's birth listed in meeting house records. He could have died in Ireland and never left for NJ, like the other George Fox. Information found on his family L.D.S. #571396.
J.L. Fisher book copyright 2008 "Some Records of Lurgan Quakers of Northern Ireland" can be viewed on line through L.D.S. films. Said George Fox's born 25th day 5 month (July) 1664 parents John and Anne found on MM records. Listing of their children found on film above. Birth started 1692 to 1705. Clearly not the same George Fox given on Ancestry. I have not found out the name of his wife.
Also complied book by Arthur G. Chapman "History of the Religious Society of Friends of Lurgan" we should try to read it.
I believe the Fox Family of Lurgan MM are the same found Dublin MM records along with a small Cooke Family.
There was a David Fox married 3 month (May) 5th day 1687, son of Robert Fox of Morley, West Yorkshire, England, married Sarah Thomson of Dublin. He is mentioned in a book Quaker Wills can be found on line through Ancestry.
Also have the marriage Thomas Fox & Hannah Cook filed 23 Jan 1682 in Dublin. Are the siblings of our Wm. Cook and Elizabeth Fox? We know our Elizabeth did have a brother named Thomas. Is this same man and his wife died without giving him children?
I think the marriage of our Elizabeth Fox to Wm. Cook occurred before marriage records were kept.
I just started today looking at these four films. Hope to learn more.
I have send messages to two researchers who have turned in Y marker kit for Robert Fox of Yorkshire, England. I do not know if the same man. But where once lived in Ireland David Fox son of Robert Fox.
I have also e-mail John Hollingsworth who runs Family Tree DNA Project Hollingsworth. There are 90 kits from men who claim descend from Valentine Hollingsworth. I do not see any matching men who claim descend from the family in Cheshire, England. I can find any match with men of GB.
L.D.S. #571396 has the unreadable marriage entry for George Fox 19 Nov 1691 Lurgan MM Ireland to Jane Nicholson. Her family can be found in later entries for this location. Same generation as Jane a couple John and Mary Nicholson has daughter Sarah Nicholson born 12 Jul 1712. So clearly a different George Fox found on Ancestry Tree.
These four film I have viewed I think really are index I need to find the all original records. The clear beginning date the records are available need to be known.
Posted: 8:27 AM - Oct 01, 2015
Dee Ann Buck
William Kenneth Hastings on Ancestry Tree has only one researcher who descend from George Fox who married Jane Nicholson in Ireland linked to John & Anne Fox of Ireland and not the other Fox Family.
Hope he will return my message. If I can find the mother of Elizabeth Fox, I will hang up this blood line and move on to others.
Posted: 3:31 PM - Oct 01, 2015
Dee Ann Buck
Ancestry Family Finder researcher CD tree Cortum Family Tree descend of Martha Wakefield and George Hiatt through daughter Esther Hiatt. This researcher does not give the parentage of her line, but states born in Ireland.
It is Roy B. Isbell who I have a very close mtDNA Match on Family Tree DNA
Posted: 7:59 PM - Oct 01, 2015
Dee Ann Buck
If you do a full search on Ancestry-- type in George Fox born 1664 Lurgan, Ireland parents John and Ann Fox. Up will pop another George Fox born Horninghold, Leicestershire, England. Wife Jane Palmer. This is the family of the famous George Fox of England and Colonies belongs.
We want the George Fox member of Lurgan MM born in Ireland (could be Dublin) parents given as John & Jane Fox and he also married a woman named Jane. Their children's birth listed in meeting house records. He could have died in Ireland and never left for NJ, like the other George Fox. Information found on his family L.D.S. #571396.
J.L. Fisher book copyright 2008 "Some Records of Lurgan Quakers of Northern Ireland" can be viewed on line through L.D.S. films. Said George Fox's born 25th day 5 month (July) 1664 parents John and Anne found on MM records. Listing of their children found on film above. Birth started 1692 to 1705. Clearly not the same George Fox given on Ancestry. I have not found out the name of his wife.
Also complied book by Arthur G. Chapman "History of the Religious Society of Friends of Lurgan" we should try to read it.
I believe the Fox Family of Lurgan MM are the same found Dublin MM records along with a small Cooke Family.
There was a David Fox married 3 month (May) 5th day 1687, son of Robert Fox of Morley, West Yorkshire, England, married Sarah Thomson of Dublin. He is mentioned in a book Quaker Wills can be found on line through Ancestry.
Also have the marriage Thomas Fox & Hannah Cook filed 23 Jan 1682 in Dublin. Are the siblings of our Wm. Cook and Elizabeth Fox? We know our Elizabeth did have a brother named Thomas. Is this same man and his wife died without giving him children?
I think the marriage of our Elizabeth Fox to Wm. Cook occurred before marriage records were kept.
I just started today looking at these four films. Hope to learn more.
I have send messages to two researchers who have turned in Y marker kit for Robert Fox of Yorkshire, England. I do not know if the same man. But where once lived in Ireland David Fox son of Robert Fox.
I have also e-mail John Hollingsworth who runs Family Tree DNA Project Hollingsworth. There are 90 kits from men who claim descend from Valentine Hollingsworth. I do not see any matching men who claim descend from the family in Cheshire, England. I can find any match with men of GB.
Grace Anne Case another mtDNA match with me on Family Tree DNA her oldest female line Agnes Crawford born 1736 Ireland died 1796 NY married James Martin.
The information on Ancestry Tree rather confusing as to the name of Agnes' mother, no agreement. One tree links her with Moor surname which is found Lurgan MM Northern Ireland.
But I do not know if said couple were Quakers.
Posted: 7:55 AM - Oct 02, 2015
Dee Ann Buck
If you do a full search on Ancestry-- type in George Fox born 1664 Lurgan, Ireland parents John and Ann Fox. Up will pop another George Fox born Horninghold, Leicestershire, England. Wife Jane Palmer. This is the family of the famous George Fox of England and Colonies belongs.
We want the George Fox member of Lurgan MM born in Ireland (could be Dublin) parents given as John & Jane Fox and he also married a woman named Jane. Their children's birth listed in meeting house records. He could have died in Ireland and never left for NJ, like the other George Fox. Information found on his family L.D.S. #571396.
J.L. Fisher book copyright 2008 "Some Records of Lurgan Quakers of Northern Ireland" can be viewed on line through L.D.S. films. Said George Fox's born 25th day 5 month (July) 1664 parents John and Anne found on MM records. Listing of their children found on film above. Birth started 1692 to 1705. Clearly not the same George Fox given on Ancestry. I have not found out the name of his wife.
Also complied book by Arthur G. Chapman "History of the Religious Society of Friends of Lurgan" we should try to read it.
I believe the Fox Family of Lurgan MM are the same found Dublin MM records along with a small Cooke Family.
There was a David Fox married 3 month (May) 5th day 1687, son of Robert Fox of Morley, West Yorkshire, England, married Sarah Thomson of Dublin. He is mentioned in a book Quaker Wills can be found on line through Ancestry.
Also have the marriage Thomas Fox & Hannah Cook filed 23 Jan 1682 in Dublin. Are the siblings of our Wm. Cook and Elizabeth Fox? We know our Elizabeth did have a brother named Thomas. Is this same man and his wife died without giving him children?
I think the marriage of our Elizabeth Fox to Wm. Cook occurred before marriage records were kept.
I just started today looking at these four films. Hope to learn more.
I have send messages to two researchers who have turned in Y marker kit for Robert Fox of Yorkshire, England. I do not know if the same man. But where once lived in Ireland David Fox son of Robert Fox.
I have also e-mail John Hollingsworth who runs Family Tree DNA Project Hollingsworth. There are 90 kits from men who claim descend from Valentine Hollingsworth. I do not see any matching men who claim descend from the family in Cheshire, England. I can find any match with men of GB.
Family Tree DNA mtDNA kit by Larry Goltz has his oldest known as Jesse George born 1872 AR died 1949 m. John Haines. Others on Ancestry Tree bring his female line back to Wales.
Jesse's mother given as
1. Mary Emma ORMOND born 2 Feb 1821 Carmarten, Wales was the emigrated m. Wm. George her mother
2. Elizabeth CODD born 1801 Wales died 1885 Wales m. John Butler Ormond
3. Elizabeth MOORE born 1776 Pembroke, Wales died 1849 m. Tobias Codd
Will e-mail this researcher about his female line.
Posted: 8:22 AM - May 20, 2016
Dee Ann Buck
I have seen another Elizabeth Fox on line. Entries found L.D.S. web site. I will be using original records, Quaker Records on film. Should arrive next week.
You can check with Michael about old false information in connection with our Hollingsworth Family.
Got to run to library. Since I am on staff I can use the film reader off hours, which I really need to look at all the film I have ordered.
I do not know why I am always surprised when I see others just copying the wrong information, but I am. There are 1950 trees on Ancestry that have Elizabeth Fox as born in Queen Anne Co., Chester Co. PA. I do not know if my Elizabeth Fox lived in this location.
Some give her parents as Thomas Fox and Rebecca Wheate of England.
I am sure this same wrong information can be found L.D.S. Computer Bank and all others on line banks.
Since I know a "researcher" can not be reading actual documents and come up with the wrong information, I know they are just copying others "work". And posting that information to their trees they are helping pass around false information which other without thought post to their tree.
So now looking at Ancestry people will say "look" Elizabeth Fox must have been born in PA--1950-- trees on Ancestry have that location. It must be true !!
If others want to post all this false information to their tree on Ancestry, so be it. But if you have your DNA sample on Ancestry all this false information is used by them linking your DNA sample to others.
Now Ancestry has come up with their "Circles" using this false information on peoples tree to "show" links between two kits. Since my 1st cousin has the wrong wife for our George G. Hopgood, she has link me and her to "Chloe Smith Circle". That was the ancestry of George's second wife. And there it will stay. Until she deletes her wrong material.
Posted: 5:11 PM - May 21, 2016
cb
Just curious, I noticed your tree on ancestry is now private instead of public and wondered if their "Circles" program was why.