robertmackayclan

I have order additional reports about my J 1 c 8 results. If they give any interesting information I will pass it along. The two matches I received notice "being a match" have not been helpful.

This results, however, has settle any thought this female line contained African-American or Native American.

The following surnames I will be trying to tract through legal & public records: starting with my grandmother:

1. Olive Odillion KING born 29 Oct 1906 (born on mother's birth date) Yuma, Carroll Co. TN died 22 Jun 1982 Silver Spring, Montgomery Co. MD m. Roy Dennis Hopgood, she had one sister who could have passed along the same Mitochondrial markers. She was the daughter of:

2. Dessie Green BOLEN b. 29 Oct 1885 Bowling Green, Warren Co. KY, died 4 Nov 1967 Alton, Madison Co. KY married Joseph Hulon King, she had sisters who could have passed along the same D.N.A. markers. She was the daughter of:

I have a picture (me, my mother, O.O. King & D.G. Bolen) of the four generations of this direct line. I have personal knowledge of all the women in this direct line and offical records.

3. Amanda E. MELTON b. 25 Aug 1853 Henderson Co. TN, d. 30 Aug 1888 Yuma, Carroll Co. TN m. Sion Monroe Bolen, she was the only daughter of:
I have a picture of Amanda E. with my gr-grandmother as an infant.

4. Frances L. MORRIS b. 1824 Henderson Co. VA, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN married Cornelius Melton, she had a sister and they were the daughter of Elizabeth

5. Elizabeth BROWN b. 1780 in Orange Co. NC, d. after 1872 Henderson Co. VA, married Isaac Morris. For the 1870 Henderson Co. TN she was living with her daughter Frances L. (Morris) Melton and her granddaughter Amanda E. Melton. So my line is set for seven generations.

The records I have order and studied for Henderson Co. TN, I can't find a legal document naming the parents of said Elizabeth (Brown) Morris. If the records exist then I will have to find them in other counties in TN or in Orange Co. NC.

I am still looking for good documentation as to the children of Isaac Morris & said Elizabeth Brown.

I am aware others have posted information about my line on the "net" and a good amount of the information they do not give their sources.

Since the court house of Henderson Co. TN has in the past burned down, all the early records for the people living in the area were lost. Like marriage records, birth or death records, land deeds and will etc.... So "we" have to use whatever we can find.

Some of the names of Elizabeth's children are based on Federal Census or Bible Records which have been collected by researchers in the past, some could be based on oral conversation.

Children of Isaac & Elizabeth (Brown) Morris:

1. Mahala Morris b. c1800 NC, she was living with Elizabeth Morrice (sic) for the 1830, not listed for 1840 census, either married or died without issue. She was included on the listing of children supplied by Delores Holladay.

2. Henry Morris b. 18 May 1805 NC, m-1 28 Jan 1830 Henderson Co. TN China G. Foyster, m-2 29 Dec 1841 in Henderson Co. to Piety Cazort, d. 3 Oct 1851 Henderson Co. TN, buried in Morris Family Cemetery in Henderson Co. TN. I have a picture of his grave marker, bible records dealing with his families found in the works of Jonathan K.T. Smith. Said Delores Holladay was a descendant of this couple. If she had personal knowledge about parentage & siblings of Henry I do not know. Hope that is the case.
He had a son named Felix and a daughter named Amanda, so did Frances L. (Morris) Melton.

3. Zenus Morris b. 1814 NC, m-1...........? m-2 c1838 Dorothy Ann Austin, d. c1859 Henderson Co. TN. I believe I have contacted in the past by researcher of his line. For the latter census I believe one of his daughters living with Benson family. I do not know if this is the only reason believe a relationship with #4 James G. Morris. There is a place for male his age group 1830 census Elizabeth Morrice (sic)

4. James G. Morris b. 1817 NC m. c1842 Mahala Benson, d. c1869 Henderson Co. TN. Delores Holladay had him on her list as son of Elizabeth as James Morris. D.N.A test has been done.

5. Wm. Pitts Morris b. 12 Jan 1817 Sumner Co. TN, m. 2 Jul 1838 Perry Co. TN to Elvira Jane Johnson, d. 22 Apr 1893 Camden Cemetery in Benton Co. TN. His name on the list of Delores Holladay. You will find a lot information about him in the works of Jonathan K.T. Smith. In connection with him is only one piece of information which named his parents as Isaac Morris & Elizabeth Brown as coming into TN for Orange Co. NC. I have not been able to find any record that he directly named any of his siblings. In the works of Jonathan K.T. Smith stated that he personal talked to the family members of said Wm. P. Morris. His works contains a picture of said Wm. P. Morris & his house.

6. George W. Morris b. 1821 TN, m. L.J. Morgan, died by 1870 Henderson Co. TN. He is connected to Elizabeth and his sister Frances L. (Morris) Melton by census information. Delores Holladay did not include him on her listing of children.

7. Frances L. Morris b. 1824 Henderson Co. TN, m. Cornelius Melton, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN. Connected to Elizabeth (Brown) Morris by 1830,1840,1850, 1860 & 1870 census. Delores Holladay did not include her on her listing of children. This is my blood line, D.N.A. done.

Since Reed Morris has done his D.N.A test any Morris male has been handed a "gold opportunity" , just submit your own sample to see if you match.

If you descend from said Mahala Morris then you could help document the above set of children.

I have the names of other Morrice living in 1830 Henderson Co. TN, if you know if related to Isaac & Elizabeth (Brown) Morris, I would love to know your sources.

My daughter and I both show mtDNA as J1c8 (naturally). I can find a lot on J1 and a little on J1c, but nothing specific to the full haplogroup assigned to us. A 23andme discussion group has a fairly large number of people with J1c8 results, and at least 1 person who is charting the haplogroup. My mother was born in Wales. Her mother was English/Spanish. Her maternal grandmother was English/Welsh (b.1817). Further than that I do not know as yet. In general, I expect any insights to the full haplogroup would follow essentially the same line as J1 geographically. Some J1c2 offshoot apparently has some significance to Vikings hauling British women from the western seaboard back to Viking territory. But nothing mentioned about J1c8. Guess we emerged too late in the game to have significance.

By third great grandmother Durainey Carrington was 1/4 Reeves. Her grandmother was Sallie Reeves who married on 7 Oct 1786 to Benj. Cozart.

The good news I have many Autosomal matches with Reeves from NC & VA. The bad news I do not know if they have really documented her blood line.

I have found the family living in Amelia Co. VA, while researching the Brown Family of that location. My Bumpass Family also left records in that location.

Found in compiled book dealing with land deed tranfer, dated 23 May 1768 David Neal gives to his two grandchildren Wm. Reeves & Joannah Reeves, son and daughter of Thomas Reeves four slaves: Phillis, Drusillah, Doll & Murrea to have after the death of himself and wife (not named).

Found in Ancestry Tree information Thomas Reeves (1740-1807) married to Eleanor Neal (1739-1768) married 28 Aug 1764 in Amelia Co. VA. David's wife name given as Joanne White Hernstein born 1705 in Ireland died 1775 Amelia Co. VA.

Found Ancestry DNA Project researcher "toes2tango" descend of Phebe Denton wife of Wm. Plumlee/Plumley. She was the daughter of Abraham & Mary (Odell) Denton.

I descend from Abraham's son Samuel Denton.

She most likely also a Duke cousin.

About two decades ago I exchanged information with Alexander Bolling of VA, he being a "white Bolling". He told me then "we have no record of members of our family removed down to NC to settle". That was a polite way of saying "the blue Bollings really do not have any documentation for their claims of Pochontas ancestry."

Personally--I would have rather had him be more firm with what he knew was the truth. Now we have the DNA study which shows for those who can read numbers, the majority of people claiming Pochontas is in their family trees are wrong.

The "F" letter which appear in the set of DNA results come from the book by Todd Bolen. I would not trust the information given by said researchers. Most claim Pochontas ancestory.

I am really only interested in Group Three named after Benj. Bolling b. 1734, d. 1832, his numbers match my oldest known Bowling ancestor John (husband to Elizabeth).

Starting with Reeves Bowling/Bolen b. 1 Dec 1818, d. 1864 his son
John W. Bolen his son
Wm. R. bolen his son
Harold Jean Bolen (family historian) his son
Wm. H. Bolen Kit #3746

I still am looking for documentation to support H.J. Bolen's statements about the siblings of Reeves' in NC, but DNA test are matching the other known son of John & Martha (Mangum) Bowling. The share a common "Y" marker.

Willis Bolling b 1791, d. 1881, two kits #2207 Thomas Benton Bowling and #106892 Phil Bowling.

Joseph Bolling b. 1801, this kit #1947 Franklin Bowling & kit #33587 James Wesley Boulden

So the two kits for Willis, Joseph match the one kit # supplied by descendant of Reeves Bowling/Bolen of Henderson Co. TN.

I was the first Bolling researcher to have found the land deeds of John Bowling in NC made his mark with side ways "B" and his wife Elizabeth with "E". These deeds stated that they removed to York Co. SC and the same marks have been found by researchers in York Co. SC. I made copies of the NC records, but never heard back from them to send their copies. Some day I will get around to ordering those deeds. HOWEVER many Kit # under heading of Benj. Bolling 1734-1832 show the same numbering pattern as the five above.

You can go down the listing I believe well over 15 of his descendants send in sample, which is why I guess Group Three called by his name.

I did notice Kit #23413 list oldest ancestor as Thomas Bouldinge of Swan, that is wrong they have their own group 2. In Todd Bolen's book Fh665

There is also a test kit #93570 links Baxter Bolling with said John & Benjamin Bolling/Bowling

Those who thought our Bolen of Henderson Co. TN might have been descendant of Pochontas are wrong and other theory (before DNA) the other old Bolling Line of VA--Thomas who came over on the "Swan". They too have their own group and we do not belong.

This DNA test shows us going forward from NC we will want to find at least: John, Benj. & Baxter together.

I say MD and other say VA.

Researcher "BJPT" tree Thompson-Price Family Tree descend of Ezekiel Hampton (1734-1811) married to Jane Griggs. Our line sons of Andrew Hampton who died in GA. Wife Sarah, maiden unknown. He the son of Noah Hampton who died in WV first wife Sarah maiden name not known, son of emigrate John Hampton with wife Martha Brown.

Lori Stark descend of Manning Bowling and wife Mary Mangum their daughter Nancy Bowling who married Lemuel Wilkerson. I have also Mangum ancestry. The Wilkerson family intermarried with other Bowling members. Hits on #4 8.26

Found Ancestry DNA Project researcher "toes2tango" descend of Phebe Denton wife of Wm. Plumlee/Plumley. She was the daughter of Abraham & Mary (Odell) Denton.

I descend from Abraham's son Samuel Denton.

She most likely also a Duke cousin.