robertmackayclan

Found Ancestry samples given by "Ardiamond5988" & "DHG" their line comes from Abraham's brother Thomas Brown who was also a son of Nicholas Brown of early NJ.

They are linked to Wm. Brown born 16 Nov 1726 Bucks Co. PA died 2 Feb 1800 Orange Co. NC married Hannah Moon.

Their son Thomas Hood Brown born 1749 Cane Creek, Orange Co. NC married 20 Aug 1772 Jane Jean Adams, d. 1842 Orange Co. NC.

I like the location, but the DNA material I share with these two researchers comes from my Brown into Hampton line which comes down to me from my mother's side. I have no idea if they hook into my family of Elizabeth Brown born 1780 in Orange Co. NC.

With the issue of James Brown husband to Honour Clayton, I think his brother Wm. Brown is a better bet as far as connecting to my Elizabeth Brown.

My mistake to trust the information on researchers: "escape2a2" "ardiamond5982" and "DHG" . Nicholas Brown who died in MA did not have a son named Thomas. The line I am interested Nicholas Brown who died RI his son Abraham died in NJ. He did not have a son named Thomas.

Above researchers have linked Thomas Brown of Orange Co. NC to Nicholas Brown who died in MA, which I now know is false.

Really do not need to know the parentage of Brown of Cane Meeting House of Orange Co. NC but I would like to know which Brown family they belong. The Brown Family of Cecil Co. MD different group.

That's the million dollar question? How could H.J. Bolen mixed together the two entirely different men. Because he set aside the facts which he did not like and would not get the blood line back to the family of John Bolling of VA.

John Bolling of VA, rich & educated, lived in Dinwiddle Co. VA, did sell some land in Granville Co. NC and he signed his name as John Bolling.

Then there was my line of John Bowling & his wife Elizabeth, made their marks on various documents. John Bowling was with MD Militia during the American Revoluntary War.

His son John Bowling made his mark on his marriage bond (I have a copy) to Martha Mangum.

He made the leap back to VA, because HE WANTED TO be related to the famous Indian.

All of which I find a shame, because I do not want to throw out his information about the Bolen living in Henderson Co. VA, but then I see a researcher being "fast & lose" with the facts I find it hard to believe anything else they have to say.

He personally knew my gr-gr-grandfather Sion M. Bolen and claims to have information from his sister (Aunt Ad) as to the names of Reeves Bolen brothers & sisters back in NC. But my problem is--is all that correct or did he make up stories about them as well.

I am doing to Google the surname "Bolling" and see what new items might be on the net. I would like to know the Haplogroup for John Bolling's family.

Time to do dinner.

1. William Boling/Bowling lived in early Granville Co. NC. His eldest son named as John (of Wm.)

2. John Bolling b. c1730 m. Elizabeth........? made their marks on land deeds which I have. We have
Y markers kits on file with Bolling DNA Project matches with Baxter and Benj. Bowling
3. Elizabeth Bolling m. John Jones their is a family bible names her family group.
4. James Bowling b. c1732 in army with Benj.
5. Baxter Bowling we have Y marker kits match John and Benj.
6. Benjamin Bowling most of the Y marker kits on file from this line called Group 3 or Benj.
Bowling.

I have Family Finder matches with various Bolen (various spelling). It is shame that people who have turned in their DNA Family Finder kits do not take advantage these Y Marker Test Results. We are not descend of Col. Robert Bolling (that is Group 1).

I do not see that our group of Bowling linked to Charles Co. MD (Catholic), but I have had a link with a researcher's line from Queen Anne Co. MD, will look at records in future.

Our group is not linked to the Bowlings of Fairfax Co. VA. That's another Y marker set of numbers.

Found Ancestry DNA Project researcher "debradockstader" has a double line of the Brown Family of Nottingham Meeting House now in MD. Two brothers Wm. (married to Anne Mercer--mine line) and brother James Brown (married to Honour Clayton).

She descends from David Brown born 1731 Chester Co. PA died 1781 Howard Co. MD. He son of Mercer Messer Brown son of said Wm.

Her line also has Sarah Brown daughter of Joshua & Hannah (Gatchell) Brown from the line of said James Brown.

It is the above James & Honour (Clayton) Brown who researchers have incorrectly named as the parents of our Anne Brown wife of Robert Mackay Sr.

I see no other blood line in common with this researcher. Because she took the time to do DNA test and make the results public I can confirm I have the correct parentage for my Elizabeth Brown (1780-c1782) wife of Isaac Morris of Henderson Co. TN.

Researcher "MMW" descend from James Brown and his wife Honour Clayton through their son Jeremiah Brown through his daughter Patience Brown (1712-1783 Orange Co. NC) married Joshua Hadley.

My line of Elizabeth Brown descend from James' brother Wm., emigrates who help settle Nottingham Meeting House, now MD.

She also distant Haines cousin with Thatcher and well.

So I really can't say our match is with above Brown or Haines or Thatcher. If Ancestry had Chromosome Browser that could help to settle the matter.

1. William Boling/Bowling lived in early Granville Co. NC. His eldest son named as John (of Wm.)

2. John Bolling b. c1730 m. Elizabeth........? made their marks on land deeds which I have. We have
Y markers kits on file with Bolling DNA Project matches with Baxter and Benj. Bowling
3. Elizabeth Bolling m. John Jones their is a family bible names her family group.
4. James Bowling b. c1732 in army with Benj.
5. Baxter Bowling we have Y marker kits match John and Benj.
6. Benjamin Bowling most of the Y marker kits on file from this line called Group 3 or Benj.
Bowling.

I have Family Finder matches with various Bolen (various spelling). It is shame that people who have turned in their DNA Family Finder kits do not take advantage these Y Marker Test Results. We are not descend of Col. Robert Bolling (that is Group 1).

I do not see that our group of Bowling linked to Charles Co. MD (Catholic), but I have had a link with a researcher's line from Queen Anne Co. MD, will look at records in future.

Our group is not linked to the Bowlings of Fairfax Co. VA. That's another Y marker set of numbers.

Researcher "peggy121943" descends from Mary Polly Bolin (1845 York Co. SC-12 May 1917 same location) married Jackson Ramsey. Her ancestor was 2nd cousin to my 2nd great-grandfather Sion M. Bolen.

Our common ancestor John & Elizabeth Bowling of Granville Co. NC. I have land deeds they signed in that location and in York Co. SC. John settled some of his children in that location and returned to Granville Co. NC where he died.

We have Y marker test linking our John with Baxter and Benj. Bowling of Granville Co. VA. I have Family Finder for various other researchers.

People have incorrect information about John and earlier generations. Our line of Bowling not related to the ones of Fairfax Co. VA.

Found Ancestry DNA Site researcher "Bosh Pindo" supplied Autosomal DNA sample, he from the line of Willis Bowling eldest brother to my Reeves Bolen of Henderson Co. TN.

Since two males of his family have supplied Y marker test found on The Bolling DNA Project Site. I hope he must have known his line does not belong to Col. Robert Bolling or Bowling of Stafford or Fairfax Co. VA.

We have three distant Bowling cousins all descends of Benj. Bowling & Mary Phelps and their descends have supplied the larger amount of Y marker test now on The Bolling Family DNA site. "A.R", "R.M." & "deannameeks 1955" linked their lines to Col. Robert Bolling anyway.

Researcher "jbowlingstone" descend from John & Martha (Mangum) Bowling through his son Yancey G. Bowling his son John and his daughter Cora Catherine Bowling (1884-1948) married John J. Stone.

His ancestor and my great-grandmother Dessie G. Bolen were 2nd cousin to his Cora C. Bowling.

Researcher "susantcomer" descend of John Bowling and wife Martha Mangum, her line through eldest son Willis this son Wm. and his daughter Martha Ada Bowling. I descend from John's youngest son Reeves.

My great-grandmother Dessie G. Bolen would have been 2nd cousin to Martha Ada Bowling.

Unfortunately, I did not have the chance to exchange information directly with the late Harold Jean Bolen of GA. And I would have asked some direct & hard questions.

Our common ancestors were Reeves Bolen & Durainey Carrington. He descended from his eldest son John W. Bolen and my great-grandmother Dessie G. Bolen from his youngest son Sion M. Bolen.

When I first started to collect information about my great-grandmother Dessie Green Bolen I ran into his material:that the Bolen of Henderson Co. TN were descendants of the Bolling of VA (descendants of Pocahontas). As another researcher told me "he so wanted to be related Pocahontas that he just made up material about the family in North Carolina down from VA." The "Professional Genealogist" who he had hired stopped supplying him material when he saw him twisting, changing, deleting etc....material which did not fit with what he wanted to believe.

There are a lot of other researches (mostly living in the South) who have also supplied materials to others trying to connect their Bowling, Bolen etc...to the Bolling family of VA. The Collection of Papers called "Phelps Works" you can order all on film through L.D.S. library.

Well we now have D.N.A test and the Bolling family of VA has a rather large project collecting samples. I do not know if any of my male Bolen have been tested, but I am sure they are not related to the group that H.J. Bolen has spread information. Most likely they came down from MD into Granville Co. NC.

His materials show up in local newspapers and into others personal libraries. He was going to publish his works, but died before it could be completed, called "A Family History 1476-1976"

I realize it is not good to "speak ill of the dead", but he wasted a lot of my time and money collecting information about the Bolling of VA. Why should I sit by and let others waste their time & money as well.

My cousin from TN send me some picture of the Bolen of Henderson Co. TN that belong to the descendants of John W. Bolen and some could have had "non-white" blood lines, but they would not have been from Pocahontas !!! Perhaps in the future Mitochondrial DNA test might shed light on this mytery.

My great-grandmother Dessie Green Bolen belongs to Group 3 Bolling DNA Site. The number patten set: R1b1: 13,24,14,11,11,12,12,12,13,13,13,29. Her emigrate ancestor found on Todd Bolen "The Bolling, Bowling,Bolen Family" page 243 Fh 751.

I will in the future be seeking out paper documents and DNA matches with families that once lived in Somerset Co. MD. Here is what I have now on the first six generations:

1. William Bowland--THE EMIGRATE--b. c1645 BG (do not know location) d. after 1711 Somerset Co. MD. Wife first name Elizabeth. Her arrival to Maryland 1666 listed as Elizabeth Bowland. Therefore I am assumed married somewhere in England. Wm. Bowland named in the will of Wm. Hill dated 1715 filed in Somerset Co. MD "Elizabeth daughter of Wm. Bouland and Margaret daughter of Thomas Pollet. I believe this Wm. Hill was the brother of said Elizabeth who married Wm. Bowland. Need to find DNA matches with Pollet researchers. Children: Elizabeth and Wm.


2. William Bowland b. c1680 Manokin Hundred, Somerset Co. MD, d. 1735 his will on file, m. Eleanor Olandman who died 1741. She daughter of Denum. Their children: Wm., James , Elizabeth and Sarah. Will seek out future matches.


3. William Bowland b. c1718 (called eldest minor child in father's will), d. 1765 Somerset Co. MD or Granville Co. NC, m. Elizabeth..........? have DNA matches with BAXTER researchers. Children: John, Eliabeth, James, BAXTER and Benj. I have DNA matches with lines of John, Baxter and Benj. Last group of researchers gave so many Y marker test Group 3 is also called Benjamin Bolen Group.


4. John Bowling b. c1738 Somerset Co. MD, d. 1814 Granville Co. NC m. Elizabeth........? made her mark with "E" seeking our surnames Manning and Britton (have DNA matches with both). They removed down to Granville Co. NC, hope to find their marks in that location, found in Granville Co. NC they removed to York Co. SC where they settled their younger children, he removed back to Granville Co. NC where he died. Children: John, Wm. Thomas, Orderly, Benj., Manning, Mary Viana, Thomas, Elizabeth and Britton. I have DNA matches with: John, Wm. Thomas, Benj., Manning and Thomas.


5. John Bowling b.1755 MD, d. c1839 Granville Co. NC m. Aug 1790 Granville Co. NC Martha Mangum. Burial Bowling Mountain in Durham Co. NC. Children: Willis, Elvey, Polly, Riley, Yancy, Joseph, Josephine, Sarah, Martha, John and Reeves. I have DNA matches with Willis, Yancy, Joseph and Reeves. I think I will find in the pedigree charts of Reeves: Willis, Riley, Yancy and Reeves (double line on Martha's side).

6. Reeves Bolen b. 1 Dec 1818 Granville Co. NC d. 1864 Henderson Co. TN, burial Carrington Family Cemetery, Pleasant Exchange, Henderson Co. TN. Had a paper statement that Reeves Bolen took trips back to NC from TN to visit "cousin" Lucy Clark. I have DNA matches with her descends. Children: John Wiley (supplied Y marker), Lareny, Aeriadna Josephine, Martha Jemima and Sion Monroe. I have DNA matches with John W., A.J. and S.M. Bolen.

My family Kellum found on different branch of my family lived in Somerset Co. MD and also removed down to Granville Co. NC. One thing I have seen with this branch of my family if they named a child with first name that looks like a surname, I can find that surname somewhere on my chart. With DNA matches now I can rule in or out a certain name.

At least four researchers have trees on Ancestry who descend from John Nairn Bowland born 1791 died 1850 in Somerset Co. MD married Susan Dixon (daughter of Thomas & Susanna POLLIT Dixon). I have asked them if they have send in DNA sample for their line of Bowland.

If they are my group of Bolen we should show matches through Family Finder. If we can get a Y marker kit that would solve the issue rather quickly.

I think this line could be grandson of James Bowland (son of Wm. and E. (Olandman) Bowland).

Hope to hear from them.

My great-grandmother Dessie Green Bolen belongs to Group 3 Bolling DNA Site. The number patten set: R1b1: 13,24,14,11,11,12,12,12,13,13,13,29. Her emigrate ancestor found on Todd Bolen "The Bolling, Bowling,Bolen Family" page 243 Fh 751.

I will in the future be seeking out paper documents and DNA matches with families that once lived in Somerset Co. MD. Here is what I have now on the first six generations:

1. William Bowland--THE EMIGRATE--b. c1645 BG (do not know location) d. after 1711 Somerset Co. MD. Wife first name Elizabeth. Her arrival to Maryland 1666 listed as Elizabeth Bowland. Therefore I am assumed married somewhere in England. Wm. Bowland named in the will of Wm. Hill dated 1715 filed in Somerset Co. MD "Elizabeth daughter of Wm. Bouland and Margaret daughter of Thomas Pollet. I believe this Wm. Hill was the brother of said Elizabeth who married Wm. Bowland. Need to find DNA matches with Pollet researchers. Children: Elizabeth and Wm.


2. William Bowland b. c1680 Manokin Hundred, Somerset Co. MD, d. 1735 his will on file, m. Eleanor Olandman who died 1741. She daughter of Denum. Their children: Wm., James , Elizabeth and Sarah. Will seek out future matches.


3. William Bowland b. c1718 (called eldest minor child in father's will), d. 1765 Somerset Co. MD or Granville Co. NC, m. Elizabeth..........? have DNA matches with BAXTER researchers. Children: John, Eliabeth, James, BAXTER and Benj. I have DNA matches with lines of John, Baxter and Benj. Last group of researchers gave so many Y marker test Group 3 is also called Benjamin Bolen Group.


4. John Bowling b. c1738 Somerset Co. MD, d. 1814 Granville Co. NC m. Elizabeth........? made her mark with "E" seeking our surnames Manning and Britton (have DNA matches with both). They removed down to Granville Co. NC, hope to find their marks in that location, found in Granville Co. NC they removed to York Co. SC where they settled their younger children, he removed back to Granville Co. NC where he died. Children: John, Wm. Thomas, Orderly, Benj., Manning, Mary Viana, Thomas, Elizabeth and Britton. I have DNA matches with: John, Wm. Thomas, Benj., Manning and Thomas.


5. John Bowling b.1755 MD, d. c1839 Granville Co. NC m. Aug 1790 Granville Co. NC Martha Mangum. Burial Bowling Mountain in Durham Co. NC. Children: Willis, Elvey, Polly, Riley, Yancy, Joseph, Josephine, Sarah, Martha, John and Reeves. I have DNA matches with Willis, Yancy, Joseph and Reeves. I think I will find in the pedigree charts of Reeves: Willis, Riley, Yancy and Reeves (double line on Martha's side).

6. Reeves Bolen b. 1 Dec 1818 Granville Co. NC d. 1864 Henderson Co. TN, burial Carrington Family Cemetery, Pleasant Exchange, Henderson Co. TN. Had a paper statement that Reeves Bolen took trips back to NC from TN to visit "cousin" Lucy Clark. I have DNA matches with her descends. Children: John Wiley (supplied Y marker), Lareny, Aeriadna Josephine, Martha Jemima and Sion Monroe. I have DNA matches with John W., A.J. and S.M. Bolen.

My family Kellum found on different branch of my family lived in Somerset Co. MD and also removed down to Granville Co. NC. One thing I have seen with this branch of my family if they named a child with first name that looks like a surname, I can find that surname somewhere on my chart. With DNA matches now I can rule in or out a certain name.

Listed under our Group 3 kit #3851 gives his oldest known male ancestor as Edmund Bowling born 1692 died 1756 St. Mary Co. MD married to Lucy. The numbers given are our group numbers. But Edmund Bowling was member of Group 5. The person who send in his slip with his sample gave the wrong name for his ancestors.

I wish I knew his line. If his oldest ancestor did come from Somerset Co. MD I would like to know the name. The Bowling of St. Mary and Charles Co. MD were Catholics and they have their own Group 5.

I have order additional reports about my J 1 c 8 results. If they give any interesting information I will pass it along. The two matches I received notice "being a match" have not been helpful.

This results, however, has settle any thought this female line contained African-American or Native American.

The following surnames I will be trying to tract through legal & public records: starting with my grandmother:

1. Olive Odillion KING born 29 Oct 1906 (born on mother's birth date) Yuma, Carroll Co. TN died 22 Jun 1982 Silver Spring, Montgomery Co. MD m. Roy Dennis Hopgood, she had one sister who could have passed along the same Mitochondrial markers. She was the daughter of:

2. Dessie Green BOLEN b. 29 Oct 1885 Bowling Green, Warren Co. KY, died 4 Nov 1967 Alton, Madison Co. KY married Joseph Hulon King, she had sisters who could have passed along the same D.N.A. markers. She was the daughter of:

I have a picture (me, my mother, O.O. King & D.G. Bolen) of the four generations of this direct line. I have personal knowledge of all the women in this direct line and offical records.

3. Amanda E. MELTON b. 25 Aug 1853 Henderson Co. TN, d. 30 Aug 1888 Yuma, Carroll Co. TN m. Sion Monroe Bolen, she was the only daughter of:
I have a picture of Amanda E. with my gr-grandmother as an infant.

4. Frances L. MORRIS b. 1824 Henderson Co. VA, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN married Cornelius Melton, she had a sister and they were the daughter of Elizabeth

5. Elizabeth BROWN b. 1780 in Orange Co. NC, d. after 1872 Henderson Co. VA, married Isaac Morris. For the 1870 Henderson Co. TN she was living with her daughter Frances L. (Morris) Melton and her granddaughter Amanda E. Melton. So my line is set for seven generations.

The records I have order and studied for Henderson Co. TN, I can't find a legal document naming the parents of said Elizabeth (Brown) Morris. If the records exist then I will have to find them in other counties in TN or in Orange Co. NC.

I am still looking for good documentation as to the children of Isaac Morris & said Elizabeth Brown.

I am aware others have posted information about my line on the "net" and a good amount of the information they do not give their sources.

As more people place their tree linked to their DNA kit we will all learn more about our ancestors. There seems to be a link with by oldest female ancestor Elizabeth Brown born 1780 Orange Co. NC her mother Margaret........? with surname OGDEN.

Since I have land deeds showing her parents came down from Loudoun Co. VA to Orange Co. NC., same location where I am now living, I am looking for a link with Quaker surnames of this area.

I have a Mitochondrial link with researcher Keith Weston Betts his oldest known Margaret Ogden born c1772 England married Charles McCurtain (1770-1799).

Two researchers both descends of Elizabeth Abber born 1731 Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland died Canada married Wm. Black. These two researchers also have Ogden ancestry.

Ogden family were Quakers, I just have not found the link with the ones I know died here in Loudoun Co. VA with my Margaret (maiden name unknown).

The thing about working the Mitochondrial line your link with others could be occurring 18 to 20 generations in the past, finding the connection rather hard.