robertmackayclan

I have had for years bits and pieces of information dealing with the Hampton Family. I was aware that there were two different Hampton Families living in early Frederick Co. VA--English Group & Scottish Group (mine line).

After I found my Haplogroup I started poking around the Family Tree D.N.A. Project groups to see if I could find my Y markers for my various families. D.N.A. results did settle the "Family Tales" in connection with my Ball & Bolen families. I looked at the Hampton D.N.A. results to see if the two groups had supplied samples. I placed a posting on Gen Forum Hampton to see if descendants of my TN cousins had taken the test.

A woman named Mary Ann........?(does not use last name) tiped me off about the false information about Andrew Hampton on the net. There were two different Andrew Hampton (one was in Battle of Kings Mountain died in Rutherford Co. NC 1805) & Col. Andrew Hampton of Granville Co. NC my line.

Part of my interest in the family of John Hampton of Scotland & NJ., is that the movements of his descendants followed the same path as Robert Mackay Sr. These two families had business dealings in VA. I do not see that there was a connection with the two families in Scotland.

So the line I will be tracing through early Monmouth Co. NJ (know my line), Cecil Co. MD (looking for the second Andrew Hampton of Rutherford Co. NC). Their records filed in Frederick Co. VA I have compiled in book form.

1. John Hampton (Dodson stated son of John) born c1640 lived in Elphinstone, East Lothian, Scotland, d. 1702 will on file, his D.N.A profile on file with Family Tree D.N.A. He had four different woman as mother of his children, my line from wife Martha BROWN. He, wife and five children came to colonies in the ship "Exchange". I have order many Quaker Records in the above location did find Hampton information, but no information found for Mackay. The fact that other Scots coming into NJ from Scotland their names have been recorded. Really firms up my OPINION that our Robert Mackay came down into NJ from another colony and most likely born in this county, most likely MA. I need early NJ record more to find information on all said John Hampton's children. Of course, at the time I viewed Scottish Quaker Records, I had not found the land deed filed in Middlesex Co. NJ dated 1705 that Robert Mackay at that time was not a Quaker.

2. Noah Hampton b.c1692 in Freehold, Monmouth Co. NJ, d. 1774 Hampshire Co. VA/WV I have a copy of his will, married to Sarah....... while in NJ, name of wife in his will Alse.........? need to look at later land deeds for this location to see if I can find estate papers of his widow. His will named only one son Andrew. The maiden name of said Sarah might be found buried in records in NJ, or might not. His brother John was the father of Isabell, George & Thomas, said George's daughter married into our Sowers family.

3. Andrew Hampton b. c1712 Freehold, Monmouth Co. NJ, d. after 1767 Jefferson Co. GA, married Sarah..........?, first record I have dealing with him found in Fairfax Land Suit 1734 or 1735 purchased land on Bullskin Marsh Run from Jost Hite, sold his land filed in later Frederick Co. VA land deeds, then named as Andrew Hampton of Brunwick Co. VA. Sold that land removed to Granville Co. NC where numerous records can be found. He served as Col. in local militia 60 men in his group, listing found in Granville History three Bolling serviced with him. As I am told by others, the problem that now exist is that were is no direct record naming my Zachariah Hampton as son of said Andrew. However there exist records connected the known sons of said Andrew handling the affairs of said Zachariah's sons: John & Nolan(my line). I will have to look in Orange Co. NC & Granville Co. NC for more records. Found Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site by Vance Peterson has mixed together the land deeds of "my Andrew Hampton" as being those of Andrew Hampton who died in Rutherford Co. NC. Also various researchers have posted incorrect information about each man's children. Some of the uncounted for Hampton men turning up in NC could have been from another branch of John Hampton's sons, but instead people have tried to connect them with Andrew Hampton of Rutherford Co. NC.

4. Zachariah Hampton b. c1748 Orange Co. VA, d. 8 Sep 1781 Battle of Eutawville, SC m. Mary Knowland, we have from wills on her side of the family name of two sons: John & Nolan.

5. Nolan Hampton b. 1770 Orange Co. VA, 1849 Carroll Co. TN m. 30 Mar 1793 in Orange Co. NC to Winifred Cozart.

Above are the areas I will be working and I hope to learn more about the Hampton & Mackay families. It is not my goal to chase hundreds of Hampton around the US, I have a listing of 115 descendants of John Hampton of Scotland and those will be the only names I will be pulling information.

There are tons of material any researcher can use for studying the Gist family of MD, first book by Dorsey "Christopher Gist of Maryland and some of his descendants 1679-1957"

Now, we have on line "Fine a Grave" where a number of these family members can be found.

My Gist ancestor Joshua Gist was at the Battle of Kings Mountain with I believe his Uncle and cousins. And through his father living in western NC which later became TN, the family is counted among the First Families of Tennessee. One of my cousin joined their society through Gist family.
Lots of entries counted among DAR.

Researcher Vance Hawkins' gr-gr-grandma was Harriet Guess/Gist born 1818 and died 1886.He is showing a match to my sample #20.

Farer up this line researcher Keith S. Murray is showing a match with couple James Murray & Jemima Morgan, their daughter married Zipparah Murray married Richard Gist.

I believe Y markers have been done for male line of Gist and you can find that on line through Y search.

I have a match with another Mangum researcher (J.E.F. Chart) this researcher's line from Howell Mangum b. 1732 married to Mary Ogburn son Pleasant Mangum (1777-1870) married Ann Lloyd their daughter Lucy Mangum (1823-1913) Joseph Faulkner.

Another research give the father of Howell as Samuel.

I am looking to prove that my Martha Mangum (1770-1855) was the daughter of Joseph Mangum (c1745-1810).Other say above Joseph Mangum was a cousin of Samuel. Said Joseph did have a son named Pleasant.

In any case, DNA is saying there was a common DNA marker between Joseph & Howell Mangum.

There is a DNA studying being done on the surname, but I do not know if a male line from said Howell & Joseph Mangum is included.

My great-grandmother had a book (only book I have that belonged to her) dealing with Mary Ball, mother of George Washington, because she was "told" by her family members we were related to that Ball Family.

Mike Ball of DNA Project, did response to my request for the Haplogroup for Col. Wm. Ball, ancestor of the said Mary Ball, it is I l.

I got real lucky that a distant Ball cousin of mine-- descendant of Osborn Ball, brother to my John Ball, father of John Washington Ball was also tested "is Rlblb2 or the shorthand notation R-M 269"

A million thanks out to that man !! Don't know his name.

He said that another profile fits the above but he did not additional information about the documented blood line.

It would be nice to have other closer relations tests, but this is a very good start.

I also found another interesting D.N.A site for Mangum Family. They have posted the results for a Mangum man whose marker shows The Duke Marker, for men living in Granville/Orange Co. NC. And they posted they did not WHY !!

I e-mail the web master, but my reponse was returned.

I think I know why the Mangum man is showing a Duke marker. My distant cousin Mary Carrington (daughter of John) was married to Arthur Mangum Jr. and while he was on "his death bed" had an affair with Wm. Duke living the next farm over. They had a son named Green A. Mangum born 1811 and he married but I have no record of the names of his children. Wm. Duke in his will acknowledge that he could have been his son. This is a matter of public record, his will filed in Orange Co. NC. I guess he really was !!!

In any case I will continue to pick away at this D.N.A test results (then I can get a hold of it) trying to apply it to the documentation which I have compiled.

I thought it was Family Tree DNA they were going to try to place the D.N.A of "famous persons" in their data bank. If that's is true that really would help to solve some of these family tales.

I wonder if they have the D.N.A. of President Zachary Taylor to compare to all those present day Taylor researchers who claim descend from him.

I do not.

I have send an e-mail to Family Tree asking the location on their web site where I can find the test results of various surname in their data base.

I just received an e-mail about my Edwards ancestory Gerrard Edwards.

My line from him:

1. Gerrard Edwards b. 1747, d. 1810 Morrisville, Fauquier Co. VA have a copy of his will, named as his wife Jemima and children: Benj., Elijah, Susanna, Milly & Wm. (my line).

2. Wm. Edwards b. 1787 Fauquier Co. VA, d. c1855 Fauquier Co. VA m. Maria Richards, their children: Frances M., Bushrod Payton (my line), James French & Wm. A. Edwards.

3. Bushrod P. Edwards b. 1822, m-1 his cousin Sophia Ann Richards (my line, m-2 Susan L. Rector, d. 1919 Warrenton Co. VA.

4. Mary Ella Edwards b. 1851, m. John Washington Ball, d. 26 Mar 1934 Washington, DC. Their children listed under another posting under children of John W. Ball.

The researcher is looking for the parentage of

Enoch Edwards b. 1804 m. Eliza.........? b. 1814 found on 1850 Fauquier Co. VA census with family of four children. I am guessing they removed out of the State of VA. I would try to find death records in connection with this group.

I have not been able to place this couple in my group of Edwards Family of Fauquier Co. VA.

I believe were several different Edwards Family living in Fauquier Co. VA.

When I first tried to find the ancestry of my Mary Ella I looked at Wesley Edwards & his wife Annsey Gladson, they had a daughter named Mary Julia born 1840, Sarah E. b. 1842, James A. b. 1843, Wm. H. Edwards b. 1844, Nancy Ann Edwards b. 1847, Alex. Marshall b. 1850, Lucy Frances b. 1854, Catherine Roberta b. 1855 & Virginia Anges b. 1858. I believe said Wesley was the son of Franklin Edwards b. c1775 married 12 Jun 1800 in Fauquier Co. VA to Nancy Linton. I have never been able to connect them with my group of Edwards.

If other can help her post a message here. I would hope a well run DNA study of the surname in VA could sort them out from each other.

Since I found out my Taylor line in 1988 I did not grow up with any Family Tales. Most Taylor researchers doing research in VA think they are related to President Zachariah Taylor & John Madison.

I found the maiden name for Samuel A. Rudd's wife living in NE at the local L.D.S. library, before that time no one in my mother's family had any idea as to her Family Name. Since that time I found the records to take her male line back to a Taylor in SC who I think descends from the Taylors of Barbados to SC.

SC--The first colony was established in The Ashley River in the southeastern part of the state in 1671. The Settlers were a group of English people direct from the Old World and another group, the members of which had been living on the Barbados Islands. They called their settlement Charles Town.


1. Wm. Taylor b. c1727 SC, d. Wolf Creek, Logan Co. KY, had at least four sons

2. Chapman Taylor b. c1748 SC, m. Julia Ann, d. 1823 AL. He was with SC Militia (Rebel Side) during American Revolutionary War

3. Joshua Taylor b. 1791 GA, m. Mary E. Cooksey, d. 23 Aug 1850 Union Co. KY

4. Aaron Taylor b. 1813 Russellville, Logan Co. KY m. Nancy Gist, d. 1857 Morganfield, Union Co. KY. Gist Family can count themselves among The First Families of TN. At least the name is on a monument. Number of her male relations fought in the American Revoluntary War. Another one of her relations (half Cherokee) make up The Cherokee Alphabet.

5. Mary Ann Taylor b. 1838 m. Samuel A. Rudd, d. 1926 Morganfield, Union Co. KY, they were my gr-gr-grandparents.

There is absolutely no reason to think any of my above Taylor Family never lived in VA. They lived in SC, GA to KY. Chapman removed with his son and died in AL.

What I am looking for males who belong to this family to be tested. Since R1b1c is a rather common Haplogroup might need a test above the 12 marker test. I hope for another letter, I have enough "R" in my family tree lately.

Thank you for your time.

My grandmother King has the same Rust ancestry that some of our Rust/McKay cousin have back to Wm. Rust of early Westmoreland Co. VA.

The book by the late Elwood Rust has some incorrect information in it which I picked up. I thought I had a doubt line of Rust which I now know is not true.

Another researcher "straighten me out" which I am glad he did for Sarah Cox of early Westmoreland Co. VA has some interesting blood lines. Vincent Cox of early Westmoreland Co. VA came from Kempston, Bedforshire, England. Peter Presly & Elizabeth Thompson of early Northampton Co. VA. Thomas Lamkin of Kemptson, Bedford, England & his wife Eleanor........? died Westmoreland Co. VA. Jane Ashton of early Westmoreland Co. VA daughter of Charles Ashton & Margaret Hart. I believe her grandfather Abraham Field had his plantation on Pope Creek near the Washington Plantation.

All lived in early Westmoreland Co. VA which means I only have to read records in that one location for about six different families. I hope my Morris family lived in the same area, but I have not found the necessary records filed in Orange Co. NC.

My grandmother Olive Odillion King was the gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of the Rev. John KING one of three Methodist ministers send to America by John Wesley.

I have two published books dealing with the parentage & early life of John King and some of their information does not match.

The book published by "The Carroll Co. TN Historical Society", done by committee.

"Joel King b. on or about 1710. Well to do, prosperous member of Church of England. His youngest son John King who became first Methodist to preach in Baltimore,MD.

"John King born 1746 in Leicestershire, England, youngest son of Joel King. He studied at Oxford University and London Medical College where he obtained his Medical Degree. While in London he met John Wesley and was converted to Methodism and became a coworker with Wesley, Bishop Ashbury and Pillmore. John King set sail for America in 1769 at the age 23. In 1770 he started preaching in DE, MD, NJ & VA. He was first Methodist to preach in Baltimore, MD. He was one of original council of ten that composted first Methodist conference in America in 1773.

"In December he married Sallie (Sarah) Seawell from a prominent family of Butte Co. NC. They bought a home near Louisburn, Franklin Co. NC and then 1779 moved to Wake Co. NC 10 miles west of Raleigh. He took part in the first Methodist conference of NC. When Franklin Academy was chartered in 1787 he was first named on list of trustee. He died in Wake Co. NC 1795. He was survived by his wife and six children: Joel, John Wesley, Benj., Thomas, Wm. Fletcher & Elizabeth".

No sources are given for where they got the information.

Because I was going on the birth place of John in Leicestershire, I saw that a member of L.D.S. church placed a marriage record for Joel King & Rose Clark in St. John Baptist in Northampton, England. I did find the original record for this marriage L.D.S. fiche 6128581 on the 14th fiche of 26. Bride & groom stated of that parish. Since his county is next to Leicestershire, thought might be the parents of John. Now think this Joel was not the father of my John.

The second book by Ben Lee Seawell "The Genealogy of The Known Descendants of Col. Benj. Seawell & Lucy Hicks".

This book has a picture/painting of Rev. John King, St. George Methodist Episcopal Church of Philadelphia, PA and ink drawning of John preaching in Baltimore, MD.

This book states that John was born in Lancaster, England. Not near the other two locations. This book has some of the same information about his preaching in MD, NJ, VA & NC.

"Where he preached his first sermon from a blacksmith's block at the street corner", this book as a ink drawing of the act.

"He was present at the first Methodist Episcopal Conference ever held in NC on 20th Apr 1785 at the home of his brother-in-law Rev. Green Hill."

This book as well as other published books on Seawell family stated the family from Brunswick Co. VA, not NC.

I have copy of his will and inventory. He was a slave owner.

In short I have two different birth places for John King. I will have to find the actual parish before I can order fiche/film.

I think his wife's family was from Brunswick Co. VA and not NC. I have no idea where each two books got their information. That I will have to find for myself.

You can google "Rev. John King" most likely information will "pop up". Now if correct I have no idea.

I believe a male descend of Rev. John King is included in FamilytreeDNA study for King family.

I and researcher Mrs. Lodema Lucia both descend from Jacob Shipman (17i46-1792) & his wife Sarah Jane M. Gage. She from brother Matthew and from John R. Shipman who died in Carroll Co. TN.

We would be 4th cousin twice removed.