robertmackayclan

DNA as turn another one of my family history on its head.

My grandfather Roy D. Hopgood's family it appears lived for a time in Bucks Co. PA (assuming they originally came from England), spend time in Berkeley Co. VA, then Bucks Co. PA and went down the Ohio River to Union Co. KY by 1820 census.

You can go to Y Search and my cousin James F. Hopgood's DNA pattern on file and another sample can be found from HOBGOOD. They are not even a close match. My uncle Earl H. Hopgood also has a sample, but he has not shared that information with me.

The founding father of HOBGOOD-- Thomas Hobgood of early Norfolk Co. VA his will on file. One of his grandson removed down to Granville Co. NC. One of these men named Thomas married a Cozart woman (also found in my mother mother family) they removed to Hopkins Co. KY. Always using the surname Hobgood. There is a small town in Granville Co. NC called Hobgood. One of my Hopgood cousin took his picture, thinking he being a cousin.

These are two different families and modern researchers just thought clerks are mixing together a "b" with "p".

I also think that the parentage of my Daniel Hopgood born 1788 VA will be found in Bucks Co. PA. I think the Wm. Hopgood who died in Union Co. KY most likely elder brother of said Daniel. Time will tell.

L.D.S. 192633 Bucks Co. PA Church Records:

6 Oct 1810 Daniel Hopgood of Berkeley Co. VA to MARTHA Thatcher of Buckingham TWP of Bucks Co. PA.

In 1991 a member of the L.D.S. church send into their International Genealogical Index, which Genealogy.com has in their data base, that her first name was Mary Ann.

This incorrect informatin has been picked up by various Hopgood researchers who have assigned Daniel Hopgood two wives: Mary Ann and Martha.

Daniel only had one wife Martha Thatcher.

He had with her: Wm. (died 1837), Matilda, George G. (mine line) & Wm. L.

DNA as turn another one of my family history on its head.

My grandfather Roy D. Hopgood's family it appears lived for a time in Bucks Co. PA (assuming they originally came from England), spend time in Berkeley Co. VA, then Bucks Co. PA and went down the Ohio River to Union Co. KY by 1820 census.

You can go to Y Search and my cousin James F. Hopgood's DNA pattern on file and another sample can be found from HOBGOOD. They are not even a close match. My uncle Earl H. Hopgood also has a sample, but he has not shared that information with me.

The founding father of HOBGOOD-- Thomas Hobgood of early Norfolk Co. VA his will on file. One of his grandson removed down to Granville Co. NC. One of these men named Thomas married a Cozart woman (also found in my mother mother family) they removed to Hopkins Co. KY. Always using the surname Hobgood. There is a small town in Granville Co. NC called Hobgood. One of my Hopgood cousin took his picture, thinking he being a cousin.

These are two different families and modern researchers just thought clerks are mixing together a "b" with "p".

I also think that the parentage of my Daniel Hopgood born 1788 VA will be found in Bucks Co. PA. I think the Wm. Hopgood who died in Union Co. KY most likely elder brother of said Daniel. Time will tell.

I am still looking for documentation as to the blood relationship between him and my Daniel Hopgood. John farmer and slave owner and said Daniel cooper.

I think he died intestate and his inventory taken 26 Feb 1845 by his wife Ura Hopgood and his executor said Daniel Hopgood.

According to this record John's slaves: Mary child $175 and Nancy woman $400

According to 1850 Listing of Slaves for his wife Ura Hopgood (various spelling of her name) slave community

70 female black who was she ?
44 female mulatto could be said Nancy
10 female mulatto could be said Mary
two born after death of said John
4 male black
1 male mulatto

Would the last two also be the sons of Nancy, or purchased.

I do not know why the 70 year old female was not listed on inventory list of 1845, unless Ura after the death of her husband either purchased her or she was given to her. Odd a slave so old would be sold.

In any case, John Hopgood married in Union Co. KY in 1818 to Urah Dillon. I am thinking he got his land and slaves from her family.

I am descended from this Rev. John King. I have a great deal of info (and some items) on this family going back a ways but was not aware of a conflict with John King. I will be attuned to this issue as I investigate more.

Hello. I am a descendant of John King through his son, Thomas Seawell King(raleigh N.C. to Nashville, Tenn) his son William G. King(Nashville Tenn to New Orleans La) and his son Samuel Philbrick King(New Orleans,La, and his son Samuel Philbrick King Jr. New Orleans) and his son William Philbrick King (New Orleans). Most of my information was derived from the Nashville State library and the Raleigh N.C. archives. donwking@bellsouth.net

I am descended from this Rev. John King. I have a great deal of info (and some items) on this family going back a ways but was not aware of a conflict with John King. I will be attuned to this issue as I investigate more.

I am so glad you have answered my posting.

Do you have an original records as to the place of John King's birth.

Thank you for your time.

Hello. I am a descendant of John King through his son, Thomas Seawell King(raleigh N.C. to Nashville, Tenn) his son William G. King(Nashville Tenn to New Orleans La) and his son Samuel Philbrick King(New Orleans,La, and his son Samuel Philbrick King Jr. New Orleans) and his son William Philbrick King (New Orleans). Most of my information was derived from the Nashville State library and the Raleigh N.C. archives. donwking@bellsouth.net

Thank you for posting information on this web site.

John King made his will 30 Jul 1795 and probated 24 Jun 1797 Wake Co. NC. You can get a copy on line through L.D.S. library system or from various web sites that have posted typed copy of the document.

His will:

named as his daughter Betsey King
named as his "beloved wife" Sally King
named as his five sons: Joel, John Wesley, Benj., Thomas, Wm. Fletcher.

His son Thomas King born 1787 Raleigh, Wake Co. NC d. 1862 in Benton Co. TN.

John did not have a son Thomas Seawell King.

My line: John King his son
Thomas King m-2 Sarahh Lawson, died in Benton Co. TN
Wm. Presley King m. Winnie Ridley Hampton died TN
Hansford Duncan King m. Fredonia Jane Derryberry
Joseph Hulon King m. Dessie Green Bolen my great-grandparents

It would appear we have different information about John's son Thomas King.

I have in the past took into my files information given to me by others and "Historical Societies".

I am glad for your posting about King Family, because I took a good look at my files and questioned certain materials.

I do not think the Thomas King listed on 1820 Burke Co. NC, is "my" Thomas King. I have films dealing with Burke Co. NC for Derryberry Family, will see if I can find out more about this Thomas King.

Thomas King first marriage on 9 Apr 1817 in Craven Co. NC to Sidney Lawson. This location seems odd to me, so I must order the film which is said to contain the marriage bond. The names of their children found in various Ancestry.Com trees, census & marriage bonds. They were John, Wesley, Jeremiah (one who lived in Carroll Co. TN), unnamed daughter, Wm. Presley (mine line), Chesley, Wyley, Thomas, Mary Ann & Duncan.

Second marriage 27 Feb 1845 in Benton Co. TN to Dolly Morris. I believe actual copy of the bond on Ancestry or L.D.S. If not I will order the film to get an actual copy. They had Dolly, Betsy (or Elizabeth Ann) & Leonidis. Members of her family can be found "Find a Grave". I do not if Morris was her maiden name or not.

Third marriage 12 Dec 1857 in Benton Co. TN Sarah Watson, they had no children. I believe this marriage bond is on line through L.D.S. Library System or Ancestry. After the death of Thomas King, she was living in others households as house keeper. I do not if Watson was her maiden name or not.

Another issue I was not aware of was that Thomas King was a slave owner, so I need to find when & how he came to have slaves.

Others have put the ancestry of John King of England/NC back five generations in England. I have no idea if correct or not and I wish they had posted their sources.

One piece of bad information received from "Historical Society" was that Jeremiah King of McNairy Co. TN was son of Thomas King of Benton Co. TN. Since said Jeremiah King was born before 18l7. I and others looking for an earlier marriage. So one piece of bad information can send you on a wild goose chase.

As far as Thomas King's name--were are hundreds of legal & public documents filed during his life time that his name was just THOMAS KING. A researcher who I have had exchanged information in the past for decades. Has his name as ALVIN THOMAS KING. Her source "Family Bible" and "Family Tradition". She has re-placed his tomb stone with said name.

Found on line marriage registry for Benton Co. TN has

Thomas King & Dolly Morris 29 Apr 1845. The record does not state if she was widow or single.

Thank you for posting information on this web site.

John King made his will 30 Jul 1795 and probated 24 Jun 1797 Wake Co. NC. You can get a copy on line through L.D.S. library system or from various web sites that have posted typed copy of the document.

His will:

named as his daughter Betsey King
named as his "beloved wife" Sally King
named as his five sons: Joel, John Wesley, Benj., Thomas, Wm. Fletcher.

His son Thomas King born 1787 Raleigh, Wake Co. NC d. 1862 in Benton Co. TN.

John did not have a son Thomas Seawell King.

My line: John King his son
Thomas King m-2 Sarahh Lawson, died in Benton Co. TN
Wm. Presley King m. Winnie Ridley Hampton died TN
Hansford Duncan King m. Fredonia Jane Derryberry
Joseph Hulon King m. Dessie Green Bolen my great-grandparents

It would appear we have different information about John's son Thomas King.

In will of John King devised to his daughter Betsey his slave Jenny (girl) and his wife Sally to have use for her natural life Abraham (man) & Beck (woman).

Listed in his inventory total number of slaves: Abraham (man), Martin (boy), Beck (woman), three girls: Jenny, Winney & Clarindy. Year 1797.

My Thomas King by age grouping
in 1830 Perry Co. TN had one slave female 10-23
in 1840 Perry Co. TN had one male 10-23 & 1 female under 10
in 1850 Benton Co. TN had 44 female & 19 male
in 1860 Benton Co. TN had 32 female, 30 male, 25 female, 14 male

I do not think Thomas' slaves will be linked back to his father's slaves of Wake Co. NC, but I want to find out for sure.

I have in the past took into my files information given to me by others and "Historical Societies".

I am glad for your posting about King Family, because I took a good look at my files and questioned certain materials.

I do not think the Thomas King listed on 1820 Burke Co. NC, is "my" Thomas King. I have films dealing with Burke Co. NC for Derryberry Family, will see if I can find out more about this Thomas King.

Thomas King first marriage on 9 Apr 1817 in Craven Co. NC to Sidney Lawson. This location seems odd to me, so I must order the film which is said to contain the marriage bond. The names of their children found in various Ancestry.Com trees, census & marriage bonds. They were John, Wesley, Jeremiah (one who lived in Carroll Co. TN), unnamed daughter, Wm. Presley (mine line), Chesley, Wyley, Thomas, Mary Ann & Duncan.

Second marriage 27 Feb 1845 in Benton Co. TN to Dolly Morris. I believe actual copy of the bond on Ancestry or L.D.S. If not I will order the film to get an actual copy. They had Dolly, Betsy (or Elizabeth Ann) & Leonidis. Members of her family can be found "Find a Grave". I do not if Morris was her maiden name or not.

Third marriage 12 Dec 1857 in Benton Co. TN Sarah Watson, they had no children. I believe this marriage bond is on line through L.D.S. Library System or Ancestry. After the death of Thomas King, she was living in others households as house keeper. I do not if Watson was her maiden name or not.

Another issue I was not aware of was that Thomas King was a slave owner, so I need to find when & how he came to have slaves.

Others have put the ancestry of John King of England/NC back five generations in England. I have no idea if correct or not and I wish they had posted their sources.

One piece of bad information received from "Historical Society" was that Jeremiah King of McNairy Co. TN was son of Thomas King of Benton Co. TN. Since said Jeremiah King was born before 18l7. I and others looking for an earlier marriage. So one piece of bad information can send you on a wild goose chase.

As far as Thomas King's name--were are hundreds of legal & public documents filed during his life time that his name was just THOMAS KING. A researcher who I have had exchanged information in the past for decades. Has his name as ALVIN THOMAS KING. Her source "Family Bible" and "Family Tradition". She has re-placed his tomb stone with said name.

Thomas King's last marriage to Sarah Watson took place on 12 Dec 1857 in Benton Co. TN. The image can be found on Ancestry.Com.

Said Sarah listed as Sally 42 years of age for 1860 Benton Co. TN as wife of said Thomas.

On the 1850 Benton Co. TN, Sarah Watson age 35 living in the household David Watson 53. Other Watson living in the same household.

Other researchers have a David Watson in their family trees, but I do not think their information helpful.

I will be ordering film dealing with Carroll Co. TN and Benton Co. TN, so will see if her parentage turns up.

In any case, they had no children.

I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.

Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.

1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp

Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.

There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.

Ihave found a "new toy" Newspaper Archives free at local L.D.S center, my first try I found Socrates B. Shipp death reported 25 Jun 1941 in "the Altoona Mirror" of Huntingdon, PA.