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Posted: 4:05 PM - Nov 23, 2011
Dee Ann Buck
A GOLDEN FILM FAIRFAX CO. VA MARRIAGES--found three marriags: Booten F. Ball, Bessie Ball & Florence Ball. I have pieces of additional information about these three people from later census. You can find the same on internet.
"BOOTEN F. BALL 22 years, born in Fauquier Co. VA, living in Fairfax Co. VA, parents J.W. & Mary E. Ball married 5 Mar 1902 to Alma H. Mohler 19 years, born & living in Fairfax Co. VA., parents C.J. & Sallie Mohler, married by D.L. Blakemore" You can find her parents and siblings on earlier & later census. Her mother the first wife of said Claucus J. & Sallie. She must have died before Oct 1893, last child born. Said C.J. & his first wife S.J. with their first son Frank S. age one, living with his parents John W. 56 years of age and his wife M.E. 48.
"Ira C. Wells 26 years, born & living in Fairfax Co. VA, parents John T. & Elizabeth Wells, married in home of bride in Centreville on 29 Dec 1903 to FLORENCE BALL 17 years, born in Rapphannock Co. VA, living in Fairfax Co. VA, parents J.W. & Ella Ball, married by J.C. Hawk". You can find Ira on earlier census with his parents in Fairfax Co. VA census 1880 and he and Florence on 1910 with their two children, by 1920 Centreville, Fairfax Co. VA, said Florence died and Ira living with their three children: Raymond, Carlos & Murray. "We" had in the family notes said Florence had married Mr. Wells, first name missing and place of marriage not known. There is a marriage listed in Fairfax Co. VA "Implied Marriages" John T. Wells & Elizabth Kincheloe, will try later to see if I can find him listed on Fairfax Co. VA birth registry. We have cemetery books for Fairfax Co. VA, will try in future to see if Florence (Ball) Wells is listed. Found on 1880 Centreville Fairfax Co. VA census: John T. Wells 46, A.E. 36, Eva 16, Edward 14, John 11, Omes? (male) 8, Ira 5, Virginia 2, Susan Wells his mother 70 years.
"George P. Thombley 25 years, born & living in Fairfax Co. VA, parents S.P. & Mary Thombley married in bride's house in Centreville, Fairfax Co. VA on 5 Jun 1901 to BESSIE A. BALL 25 years of age, born in Fauquier Co. VA, living in Fairfax Co. VA, parents J.W. & ........?, married by D.L. Blakemore." I am have a "devil" of the time finding his surname in VA census.
Found State of VA Death Cerificate #26388 "Ira Carlton Wells male, white, widower, spouse was Florence Wells, age 46, merchant, born in Bull Run? Fairfax Co. VA, father J.H. Wells, mother Elizabeth Kenchela? both born VA, died 16 Dec 1921 of Angina, buried 18 Dec 1921, Sudley Church of Manassas, VA" informant S.A. Gheen
Their graves found on "Find a Grave"
Posted: 11:25 AM - Dec 22, 2011
Dee Ann Buck
I just received an e-mail about my Edwards ancestory Gerrard Edwards.
My line from him:
1. Gerrard Edwards b. 1747, d. 1810 Morrisville, Fauquier Co. VA have a copy of his will, named as his wife Jemima and children: Benj., Elijah, Susanna, Milly & Wm. (my line).
2. Wm. Edwards b. 1787 Fauquier Co. VA, d. c1855 Fauquier Co. VA m. Maria Richards, their children: Frances M., Bushrod Payton (my line), James French & Wm. A. Edwards.
3. Bushrod P. Edwards b. 1822, m-1 his cousin Sophia Ann Richards (my line, m-2 Susan L. Rector, d. 1919 Warrenton Co. VA.
4. Mary Ella Edwards b. 1851, m. John Washington Ball, d. 26 Mar 1934 Washington, DC. Their children listed under another posting under children of John W. Ball.
The researcher is looking for the parentage of
Enoch Edwards b. 1804 m. Eliza.........? b. 1814 found on 1850 Fauquier Co. VA census with family of four children. I am guessing they removed out of the State of VA. I would try to find death records in connection with this group.
I have not been able to place this couple in my group of Edwards Family of Fauquier Co. VA.
I believe were several different Edwards Family living in Fauquier Co. VA.
When I first tried to find the ancestry of my Mary Ella I looked at Wesley Edwards & his wife Annsey Gladson, they had a daughter named Mary Julia born 1840, Sarah E. b. 1842, James A. b. 1843, Wm. H. Edwards b. 1844, Nancy Ann Edwards b. 1847, Alex. Marshall b. 1850, Lucy Frances b. 1854, Catherine Roberta b. 1855 & Virginia Anges b. 1858. I believe said Wesley was the son of Franklin Edwards b. c1775 married 12 Jun 1800 in Fauquier Co. VA to Nancy Linton. I have never been able to connect them with my group of Edwards.
If other can help her post a message here. I would hope a well run DNA study of the surname in VA could sort them out from each other.
State of VA Reel 226 #18192 "Charles Henry Edwards of The Plains, VA, filed in Fauquier Co. VA Scott TWP "Charles Henry Edwards male, white, widowed, wife Jennie Edwards, age of death 72 years, 6 months, 17 days, date of birth not given, farmer of Tobacco, birth place VA, father Wesley Edwards in VA, mother Jennie Safer born in VA, informant Bradshaw Edwards of The Plains, burial place in Marshall, VA on 30th Aug 1933, death date 28 Aug 1933 of Myocarditis"
According to 1920 Fauquier Co. VA census Scott District family of said Bradshaw Edwards age 28 and his wife Inez 24, their son Charles W. 2 years and his parents Charles H. 58 and Jennie 68 years.
I do not think this group of Edwards are related to my group.
Posted: 12:24 PM - Dec 22, 2011
Dee Ann Buck
I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.
Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.
1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp
Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.
There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.
State of VA Reel 212 #8621 "Jane E. Huff filed in Chapel Clarke Co. VA, female, white, widow, 81 years of age, housewife, birth place Jefferson Co. WVA, father George Coffman born in Jefferson Co. WV, mother .........Shipp born in Jefferson Co. WVA, informant John E. Frank of Berryville, VA, undertaker John H. Enders of Berryville, VA, date of death 22 Apr 1932 of Cerebral Embolism & pneumonia"
I am trying to place her mother ..........Shipp if connected with my group of Shipp. Shipp family did have marriages with Coffman family.
Found on 1930 Chapel District of Clarke Co. VA: John E. Frank 47 and his wife Rosa 54 years both born in WVA, living with them mother-in-law Jane Huff 89 years born in WVA.
Researcher has placed information Genealogy.com. Has her husband as Townsend Huff and a different set of children and does not have her parentage, nor daughter Rosa.
Posted: 12:13 PM - Jan 30, 2012
Dee Ann Buck
I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.
Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.
1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp
Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.
There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.
Found on "Fine a Grave" and site by Rockingham Historical Society listing of grave found The Shipp Family Cemetery east of Elkton. The family of James Albert Shipp (1841-1916) his wife and children buried in this location.
This James A. Shipp was not related to the "my" Shipp Family. The oldest known Godfrey who died in Shenandoah Co. VA c1830.
One of said Godfrey's son Wm. Shipp removed down to Rockingham Co. VA and he and his wife and children buried in Mountain View Cemetery in said county.
Since my John removed down to Rockingham Co. VA to marry his second wife I am still looking for the location of his death.
James A. Shipp lived in Madison Co. VA before removing to Rockingham Co. VA.
Posted: 7:01 AM - Feb 22, 2012
Dee Ann Buck
It is from Godfrey's son Frederick Shipp census information which gave us the birth place of his father as being VA and his mother in VA.
However, the earliest known legal location for Godfrey Shipp would be 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD. Right on the line with PA. Another census record for his eldest son John Shipp (born 1801) states he was born in MD. He was my direct ancestor.
The 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD only has two males: 1 male under 10 and male as 10-15, which makes me wonder if the census was marked correctly. Older female 26-44. I do not see films in L.D.S. library collection which would be helpful tryng to figure out this family group. Will have to check public library later in the week. Surname indexed as Shipps, first name Goofsey? on Ancestry.com 1800 census.
As of 1810 the family was living in Hampshire Co. VA/WV and I am finding records for him in Shenandoah Co. VA (lived at Stoney Creek) as of 1818, where he died around 1830 census. The will book by Amelia C. Gilbreath only abtracted the wills found in those county books. I will start pulling that information into book form when I finish with land deeds.
The book by Ralph D. Shipp of CO, made the incorrect statement (which is all over the net) that all Shipp Families in VA were offspring of Wm. Shipp of early Norfolk, VA. Another researcher has proven Joshua Shipp (Ralph D. ancestor) was his own emigate and not directly related to said Wm.
When he compiled his book, D.N.A. testing really was not done. Now this is not the case a complete study could show if these various Shipp men were indeed related.
I have legal evidence that Godfrey had a brother named Jacob Shipp who it would appear traveled with him. There was a Frederick Shipp could be his father or older brother, but I lack evidence they were related. Godfrey did name a son Frederick, could be evidence or not. I just need evidence where they lived before Frederick Co. MARYLAND.
I am beginning to doubt that my group of Shipp were related to the other Shipp Families of Norfolk into NC and other parts of the south & west.
Another researcher has suggested that my Ship/Shipp was Shipe, but I have not seen evidence of that thought. I know the Shipe Family came down from PA into Shenandoah Co. VA.
I am only pulling information on my direct line of Shipp.
I believe I am closing in on the path that Godfrey Shipp's parents took to Frederick Co. MD. From Phildelphia, PA to Cumberland Co. PA to Frederick Co. MD, we know then he left for Hampshire Co. VA/WV then down to Shenandoah Co. VA where he died.
Found on the Phildelphia, PA tax list 1781-1785 full of names I see living later in Shenandoah Co. VA. Lots of Sowers/Sower men who would later come down directly into Shenandoah Co. VA.
Now that L.D.S. Library charges $7.50 per roll for their film and $4.75 for each micofiche order, might limit what I think I need to read.
Posted: 5:03 PM - Feb 27, 2012
Dee Ann Buck
Years ago I was given the marriage record of Frederick Shipp & Barbara Frey, location she did not have.
With Frederick Shipp born in PA or MD died before 1800 census in Frederick Co. Maryland. I am intereted in Frey family of MD or PA.
It would appear there are many men to check out.
Also a D.N.A. study sample I am interested in James Frey born 1793 in PA--Rlblb2.
Family seems to be also going back to Germany or Alsace.
It is beginning to look like the ancestry of John Shipp born 1801 in Frederick Co. Maryland and died c1889 in Shenandoah Co. VA, all his blood line were from Germany.
In "Shipp Lineage" by Mary Marie Koontz Arrington copy right 1978, page 123 had the marriage listed Frederick Shipp married 25 February 1783 to Barbara Fely (Frey).
When we were living in Rockville, MD about 1985 a woman called me on the phone and told me about the same couple. I do not know if she got the information from the above book or she had another source. In any case, she told me she did not remember where she got the information, but was leaving the county and want to pass along the marriage record.
Well I have been looking for 27 years for the source and place where the marriage did taken place. My Godfrey Shipp did name a son Frederick.
Now I have a good hold on the group of men of early PA I want to trace and said Frederick is not one of them.
The first census of MD for Washington Co. MD has Adam, Frederick & Jacob Shupe. The above Frederick Shupe would be the same man. A Frederick Shupe or Shoop a soldier during the American Revolution from Northampton Co. PA. This location is not an area where my group of Schipp/Ships/Shipp lived. Published book dealing with church records for Washington Co. MD has Shupp listed they were Reformed German. By the 1820's they had removed from this area for Russell Co. VA. I believe later found Shipp in this area and in Franklin Co. PA were in fact part of my group of Shipp from Frederick Co. MD.
The early Shipp researchers really did address the issue of these various different families Shrump/Shupe/Shupp/Shoop, Shue, Shipe and my "Ships" were in fact different families and not the same family with different spelling of the surname.
I now known I am looking for John Frederick Schipp/Shipp of Philadelphia Co. PA and his four sons: Godfrey, John, Anthony & Joseph. Areas of Cumberland Co. PA, Montgomery Co. PA & Frederick Co. MD.
I am looking at three DNA samples which will link together three different branches of the family.
Posted: 11:45 PM - Mar 05, 2012
katgum
My great-grandmother had a book (only book I have that belonged to her) dealing with Mary Ball, mother of George Washington, because she was "told" by her family members we were related to that Ball Family.
Mike Ball of DNA Project, did response to my request for the Haplogroup for Col. Wm. Ball, ancestor of the said Mary Ball, it is I l.
I got real lucky that a distant Ball cousin of mine-- descendant of Osborn Ball, brother to my John Ball, father of John Washington Ball was also tested "is Rlblb2 or the shorthand notation R-M 269"
A million thanks out to that man !! Don't know his name.
He said that another profile fits the above but he did not additional information about the documented blood line.
It would be nice to have other closer relations tests, but this is a very good start.
I also found another interesting D.N.A site for Mangum Family. They have posted the results for a Mangum man whose marker shows The Duke Marker, for men living in Granville/Orange Co. NC. And they posted they did not WHY !!
I e-mail the web master, but my reponse was returned.
I think I know why the Mangum man is showing a Duke marker. My distant cousin Mary Carrington (daughter of John) was married to Arthur Mangum Jr. and while he was on "his death bed" had an affair with Wm. Duke living the next farm over. They had a son named Green A. Mangum born 1811 and he married but I have no record of the names of his children. Wm. Duke in his will acknowledge that he could have been his son. This is a matter of public record, his will filed in Orange Co. NC. I guess he really was !!!
In any case I will continue to pick away at this D.N.A test results (then I can get a hold of it) trying to apply it to the documentation which I have compiled.
I thought it was Family Tree DNA they were going to try to place the D.N.A of "famous persons" in their data bank. If that's is true that really would help to solve some of these family tales.
I wonder if they have the D.N.A. of President Zachary Taylor to compare to all those present day Taylor researchers who claim descend from him.
I do not.
I have send an e-mail to Family Tree asking the location on their web site where I can find the test results of various surname in their data base.
Has anyone contacted you yet about the Mangum/Duke Connection?
Posted: 11:29 AM - Mar 06, 2012
Dee Ann Buck
I did try to post a message to their project site about the problem of Mangum men showing Duke markers, but it would not post.
I have in my blood lines for the region of Orange Co. NC all the players: Carrington, Cozart, Mangum & Duke.
If you need more information, just need to ask.
Good luck with your research.
Posted: 7:24 AM - Mar 07, 2012
Dee Ann Buck
My great-grandmother had a book (only book I have that belonged to her) dealing with Mary Ball, mother of George Washington, because she was "told" by her family members we were related to that Ball Family.
Mike Ball of DNA Project, did response to my request for the Haplogroup for Col. Wm. Ball, ancestor of the said Mary Ball, it is I l.
I got real lucky that a distant Ball cousin of mine-- descendant of Osborn Ball, brother to my John Ball, father of John Washington Ball was also tested "is Rlblb2 or the shorthand notation R-M 269"
A million thanks out to that man !! Don't know his name.
He said that another profile fits the above but he did not additional information about the documented blood line.
It would be nice to have other closer relations tests, but this is a very good start.
I also found another interesting D.N.A site for Mangum Family. They have posted the results for a Mangum man whose marker shows The Duke Marker, for men living in Granville/Orange Co. NC. And they posted they did not WHY !!
I e-mail the web master, but my reponse was returned.
I think I know why the Mangum man is showing a Duke marker. My distant cousin Mary Carrington (daughter of John) was married to Arthur Mangum Jr. and while he was on "his death bed" had an affair with Wm. Duke living the next farm over. They had a son named Green A. Mangum born 1811 and he married but I have no record of the names of his children. Wm. Duke in his will acknowledge that he could have been his son. This is a matter of public record, his will filed in Orange Co. NC. I guess he really was !!!
In any case I will continue to pick away at this D.N.A test results (then I can get a hold of it) trying to apply it to the documentation which I have compiled.
I thought it was Family Tree DNA they were going to try to place the D.N.A of "famous persons" in their data bank. If that's is true that really would help to solve some of these family tales.
I wonder if they have the D.N.A. of President Zachary Taylor to compare to all those present day Taylor researchers who claim descend from him.
I do not.
I have send an e-mail to Family Tree asking the location on their web site where I can find the test results of various surname in their data base.
She was Dicey Carrington, daughter of John & Jemima Carrington who married Arthur Mangum, not Mary.
There was another Mary Carrington daughter of John Sr. & wife Mary Pamplin who married another Wm. Duke on 9 Aug 1783 in Orange Co. NC
The Dicey Carrington b. 1780 married 22 Feb 1801 in Orange Co. NC to Arthur Mangum Jr. She was living on 1850 Orange Co. NC as a widow. He was the son of Arthur SR. & Lucy Person.
One of Dicey & Arthur Mangum's children Cynthia Mangum born 12 Jun 1803 NC d. 20 Sep 1881 in Orange Co. NC married her cousin Nathaniel Macon "Meeks" Carrington.
I believe I might have full listing of Dicey & Arthur Mangum's children, will check if others interested. Believe published book on Mangum Family which spoke of the affair between Dicey (Carrington) Mangum and Wm. Duke. I have copy of his will.
Posted: 10:16 AM - Mar 07, 2012
Dee Ann Buck
Has anyone contacted you yet about the Mangum/Duke Connection?
I forgot to ask you what was the male Mangum line you had tested?
Wm. Duke & Dicey Carrington were 1st cousins.