robertmackayclan

I have viewed a few of this ethic group web sites. I learned some years ago that some researchers believed there might be a connection with my surname Bowling/Bolen etc.....with this group "in hills of North Carolina".

Through DNA Bolling Project we know "Native American" blood line did not come through John Bowling's male line. The John who married Martha Mangum. I a copy of their legal & public Granville Co. NC marriage bond 12 Aug 1790.

He was the son of John Bowling Sr. married to a Elizabeth.........?. I believe married not in NC but in MD or VA. So I think out of the reach of this particular group.

Reeves Bolen's mother Martha Mangum I really need the names of her parents to see if there was connect with said Melungeon. There is a Mangum Family DNA study, but only offer Y marker test results. This family came down from the area of Isle of Wight, Nansemond, Norfolk or Princes Anne Counties VA into Granville Co. NC. I do not know if the marriage laws in NC were the same as in VA, but mixed couples could not legally marry in VA. John Bowling & Martha Mangum were legally married.

Since I do see any Mitochondrial test results on Mangum site I have no idea what Halogroups are connected with Mangum Males.

One of the reason I am interested in Mitochondrial DNA profile for the families of this area of NC is to see if my Reeves Bolen's ancestors really contains any Melumgeon Ancestry.

As far as Reeves Bolen's wife Durainey Carrington families: Carrington, Duke, Cozart/Cossart & Reeves. Could be "mixed blood" in Duke or Reeves, but would like to see evidence. Her grandparents were all legally married and I have copies of marriage bonds.

Well, they have done a lot of work since I last check out their site.

Group 1--String R & W has the samples supplied by Robert Bolling of VA
given as Fh480 Rlbl (has all the other numbers)

Group 3--String U3 John Bowlin c1762 Martha Mangum Fh419 Rlbl

I will have to search the other entries, for I am looking for men tested that lived in Charles Co. MD.

One problem I have found with DNA test samples, people turning in their sample with the wrong oldest known ancestor.

We must state our oldest known ancestor only using well documented information and not what they have found on line or someone else has told you.

Found on line The Bolling DNA Site has three sets which the numbers show they should be under Group 3 (my group), but they are naming as their oldest known ancestor man found in Group 2.

Kit #1926 & #895 as Wm. Bowling & his wife Penelope A. Cooper Fh743. From the Bolling line Thomas of "Swan".

Kit #23413 Thomas Boulding Fh665 came over on the "Swan"

Who their real ancestors were-- I have no idea, but not as stated.

L.D.S. 2079936 Rockingham Co. VA Marriages from Vol 1, page 66, marriage of

John SHIPP (sic) 70 years of age, widower, born in Frederick Co. MD, living in Rockingham Co. VA, parents Godfrey & Elizabeth, collier, married 16 Feb 1871 in Rockingham Co. VA by Issac Long to Martha A. MILLER 49 year of age, widow, born & living in Rockingham Co. VA, parents Garland S. & Anna MCCAULEY"

So her maiden name was McCauley and not living with her parents for the 1850 Rockingham Co. VA, assuming she married before that time. The index at the library only covers 1865 to 1900.

I have no idea who mixed together the names of John Ship first wife Elizabeth LEWIN not Lewis and the parents of his second wife Martha A. (McCauley) Miller as

"John Shipp married to Elizabeth Lewis her parents Garlands S. Lewis & Anna McCauley", but this is what is printed in Ralph D. Shipp of CO. "The Shipp Family History."

Small piece in the book by John W. Wayland "Virginia Valley Records" dealing with Rockingham Co. VA, found on line.

"Rev. Isaac Long before, during and after the Civil War, was a man of prominence in the Mill Creek Valley. He married Miss Sauffley and had, among other children, David, Benjamin, John, Wm. & Daniel. Rev. Isaac Long was for many years a leader in his church (Dunker), not only in the Mill Creek section, but also in Rockingham county. He was a man of sound judgment, the strickest integrity and was known and loved by all who came in contact with him."

I do not know if said Rev. Isaac Long was Martha A. McCauley (or her first husband's minister) or John Ship/Shipp minister.

I can see the Shipp became Baptist by this generation, but members of Dunker Church, will look for more evidence.

I have been informed that I made an mistake about Osborn Ball,he was not the brother of my John Ball, but belonged to a group living in NC.

Then I was informed by James Ball (claims descendant from the Ball Family of Middlesex Co. VA) submitted his DNA profile #188818 filed as a descendant of Wm. Ball of Essex Co. VA died 1695/6. He claims he was the father of Edward Ball of early Middlesex Co. VA. His Haplogroup same as the above Osborn Ball, but no match with the numbers.

He used as the source for the parentage of Edward Ball from the secondary source a book by Ronald Ames Hill, this book is on net through L.D.S. system.

After looking at this work, the author has supplied no original records supporting the parentage between Wm. to Edward Ball. "Recent research, however, suggests Edward is the son of Wm. Ball..."

I realize that people have submitted information to various computer banks sometimes using their best guess, but I did hope people would only submit their DNA sample under a name which they were sure was their ancestors. I guess I was wrong.

I will continue to hope that one of the brother's male descendants of my great-grandmother's Lena (Ball) Shipp will be interested enough in genealogy to submit a sample.

I plan to order land deeds of Culpeper Co. VA, so I can locate the farm of John Ball.

I have become aware of possible Mitochondrial DNA sample of my great-grandmother Moslena Ball wife of Mathias H. Shipp. The person or persons involved have not directly come forward with this new information. It might be a clue as to the female emigrate ancestor of my grandfather Walter Eugene Shipp.

I will be seeking out new females who are willing to share this new kind of information. And I will be collecting primary sources for this particular line in NJ.I am only listing issue that might contain female blood lines.

Goal to see if DNA Letter "L" matches up with the documentation.

Starting with my great-grandmother:

1. BALL, Moslena b. 1877 VA, d. 1958 FL m. Mathias H. Shipp they had Noreen E. Shipp (two living persons) & Virginia Lee Shipp (I don't know if she had children or a daughter), her mother

2. EDWARDS, Mary Ella b. 1851 VA, d. 1934 DC m. John W. Ball they had Mary Alice Ball m. A. Rosenberger, Alma Watson Ball m. S. Shipp, Bessie A. Ball m. George P. Twombley, said Moslena Ball m. M.H. Shipp and Florence Shipp m. I.C. Wells, her mother.

Before I started doing genealogy this is the farest back in time "The Shipp Family History" went.

3. RICHARDS, Sophia Ann b. 1826 VA, d. c1866 VA m. Bushrod P. Edwards they only had the said Mary E. Edwards, no other female lines to be tested, her mother

4. FLEMING, Jane b. 1798, d. 1876, m. Thompson H. Richards had: said Sophia Ann Richards m. B.P. Edwards and Elizabeth Jane Richards m. T.A. Ramsey, her mother

5. HULETT, Hannah b. c1771 NJ?, d. VA m-1 Francis Marra, m-2 Thomas Fleming
She & Francis Marra believe had a daughter Margaret, she & Thomas Fleming had said Jane Fleming m. T.H. Richards and Mary Fleming who married Andrew Fleming, her mother.

6. LIPPINCOTT, Anna m. Thomas Hulett, she married after his death Wm. Walker removed to Hampshire Co. VA, according to Chancery Suit Filed in Frederick Co. VA had daughters: Winifred Hulett m. Joseph Berry, Sarah Hulett m. David Marney, daughter married to John Rankin & Hannah Hulett married Francis Marra & second to Thomas Fleming, her mother.

7. RAY, Genet b. c1705 NJ m. Daniel Lippincott d. 1741 NJ, I have a copy of his will, they had: Elizabeth Lippincott m. Francis White, Audria Lippincott & said Anna Lippincott m. in NJ to Thomas Hulett.

On the net a researcher has connected Genet RAY family with the Scottish Family of Robert Rea/Rhea who married Janet Hampton. Said Janet Hampton was the daughter of John Hampton of Scotland & Monmouth Co. NJ. I descend through a son of said John Hampton Sr.

Said Robert Rhea will filed in Monmouth Co. NJ named his children: David, Elizabeth, Catherine, Margaret & Mary.

I do not have the Mitochondrial DNA profile for Janet Hampton, could be "L" but I rather doubt it. In any case, the documents filed in Monmouth Co. NJ would show she was not the mother of said Genet Ray.

I am looking for mixed race mother of Genet Ray. This female blood line is showing "L". I believe I need to go back about three more generations.

If you know of another Mitochondrial DNA connected with the above blood line I would appreciate knowning about it directly. So I can spend my time collecting new information about this blood line.

Couple of years ago my two sons send in their Y marker test under the name of Bock, their oldest known ancestor Charles Bock of Friedrichshafen, Wurttemberg, Germany a town on Lake Konstanz.

Their first 12 numbers:

13,23,14,11,12,14,12,12,11,13,12,30

Now I have been looking for the person who submitted C.L. Shipp his numbers

13,23,14,11,11,13,12,12,11,13,13,30

I have compared said C.L. Shipp additional numbers with Brandson's set and they are almost the same set of numbers.

A researcher Robert Shipp who stated his ancestor came from England his numbers are not even close to the two men above.

14,11,13,12,13,30,23,11,13,13,12,12

I realize that 80 % of European men test at "R". Does anyone know if your numbers start with a particular set of numbers those people would be from area of Scotland, England, Germany etc.,....

I have to find out who C.L. Shipp was !! I guess the question I am asking is it possible that C.L. Shipp's ancestor was from Germany too.

Found on Y Search under surname listing of names Shipp:

George E. Shipp's number match completely with C.L. Shipp

R1b1a2 13,23,14,11,11,13,12,12,11,13,13,30,17,9,10,11,11,24,15,19,28,15,15,17,18

In the section of additional information the researcher is trying to connect their line with English Shipp, which by way of DNA results from English Shipp we know they are not related.

Now that I know the earlier generations of my family, had it wrong about the family being English and now I know they were German.

I began to question-- why I could not find the marriage record for Godfrey's son John Shipp. I was looking in Frederick Co. MD.

Listed in the notes of my grandfather have these two entries:

"John Shipp to Elizabeth Lewis line #108 page 43 Aug 20 1818"

"Jacob Shipp to Eliza Hoffman 110 Jul 18,1819"

Either my grandfather or one of his uncle visited the court house in Shenandoah Co. VA and recorded the two entries.

If the actual registry really has the name as Ship, Shipp or Shipe, I will order the film later through public library.

The compiled book by John Vogt has the above two men's marriages as:

"Ship, Jacob to Elizabeth Coffman 19 Jan 1819, bondman Windel Coffman". I have found land deed division in Shenandoah Co. VA, named spelled with "C" not "H".

"Shipe, John to Elizabeth Lewin 17 Aug 1818, daughter of James & Mable"

Two problems now arise, is the said John Shipe really my John Shipp and was his wife member of Lewis (as we have been told) or LEWIN.

Furthermore, I was given the parentage of Elizabeth Lewis as Garland S. & Anna (McCauley) Lewis, by the branch of the family who descended from sister of my John. How others would get this so wrong, is beyond me. Where did they come up with Garland S. Lewis if the name really should be James Lewin and Mable for Anna McCauley.

In any case, the parentage of John's wife I will have start to look for them in Shenandoah Co. VA and not in Frederick Co. MD. According to 1810 & 1820 I have found men by the name of LEWIN but not Lewis.

I thought I have found the maiden name of John Ship/Shipp first wife Elizabeth.

The original marriage bond the signature of John Shipe looks just like my John Ship found on three signatures he wrote on his daughters marriage records in Rockingham Co. VA. This being the marriage bond between John Shipe & Elizabeth Lewin filed in Shenandoah Co. VA.

However, yesterday I ran across the Death Certificate of John W. Shipe filed in Warren Co. VA, buried in Prospect Hill Cemetery as a SHIPE. His parents given as John Shipe & Elizabeth Lewin. According to the 1850 Warren Co. VA either John was dead or no longer with his wife and children. And said Elizabeth Shipe living next to her brother Wm. Lewin.

I have been through all the films which contain early Shenandoah Co. VA Marriages and only found John Shipe & Elizabeth Lewin and there were two other John Shipe, one make his mark and the other his father's name given as Adam, so I know not my John Ship/Shipp.

If there were really two different couples:

John Shipp & Elizabeth Lewis married 30 Aug 1818 (not found on film) and
John Shipe & Elizabeth Lewin married 17 Aug 1818

Really do not think possible.

Will continue to look for other records found in Shenandoah Co. VA.

If another researcher reading this message wants the copies of the above records, can send me your address and I will pop them in the mail, someone should profit by all my copying of this family records. Also have some other Lewin & Hunt marriage bonds.

In the "book" by Klaus Wust Lutheran Zion-Pine Church Records VOL II page I4

Jacob Shipp (brother to my Godfrey Shipp) his wife and three of their children's birth and baptisms recorded among this church records.

And the surname was spelled as SHIPP

Researchers on line state all his "books" must have in your personal library. I would call them pamphlets and I am so glad my public library has copies of his works and I did not spend monies or any more time.

Either my Godfrey was not a member and his brother was, or a lot of the church records have not survived to be copies. Was stated in the the books that Methodist Church was very active in the area.

One point is not to be over looked, the family was German and Lutheran and has no connection with the Shipp Family of Early Virginia.

My late great-aunt Noreen (Shipp) McLeod told me her father Mathias Henkel's midde name was a "Family Name." After spending lots of time and money looking for a earlier marriage between a Shipp & Henkel. Yes--Henkel is a "Family Name" just not found among our family tree. It could be he was name for Dr. Paul Henkel pastor of some of the Lutheran Churchs in the area.

I have been looking for the death date of my great-aunt Carrie A. Shipp. I found the marriage record for her and first husband in Pr.Wm.Co.VA. Marriage second to Huddleton, divorced in FL, buried as Carrie A. Huddleton b. 21 Nov 1897, d. 2 Apr 1970 First Baptist Church Land O Lake, Pasco Co.FL.

This site also has a picture of her mother and step-father in same cemetery.

Lena (Ball) Shipp' first husband M.H. Shipp buried in Pr.Wm.Co. VA, also can be found "Find a Grave". Booton F. Ball buried next to him and I believe a picture of his grave stone as well.

Great Site !!! Wish I have use of it years ago.

I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.

Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.

1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp

Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.

There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.

Interesting item found on Ancestry Tree.com entry, one researcher's ancestor Casper Schipp born 1792 in Nassau, Deggendorf, Bavaria, Germany removed with his family to East Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.

The family members later changed the surname to Ship or Shipp.

I am glad to finally find a researcher who states his family is German.

I have become aware of possible Mitochondrial DNA sample of my great-grandmother Moslena Ball wife of Mathias H. Shipp. The person or persons involved have not directly come forward with this new information. It might be a clue as to the female emigrate ancestor of my grandfather Walter Eugene Shipp.

I will be seeking out new females who are willing to share this new kind of information. And I will be collecting primary sources for this particular line in NJ.I am only listing issue that might contain female blood lines.

Goal to see if DNA Letter "L" matches up with the documentation.

Starting with my great-grandmother:

1. BALL, Moslena b. 1877 VA, d. 1958 FL m. Mathias H. Shipp they had Noreen E. Shipp (two living persons) & Virginia Lee Shipp (I don't know if she had children or a daughter), her mother

2. EDWARDS, Mary Ella b. 1851 VA, d. 1934 DC m. John W. Ball they had Mary Alice Ball m. A. Rosenberger, Alma Watson Ball m. S. Shipp, Bessie A. Ball m. George P. Twombley, said Moslena Ball m. M.H. Shipp and Florence Shipp m. I.C. Wells, her mother.

Before I started doing genealogy this is the farest back in time "The Shipp Family History" went.

3. RICHARDS, Sophia Ann b. 1826 VA, d. c1866 VA m. Bushrod P. Edwards they only had the said Mary E. Edwards, no other female lines to be tested, her mother

4. FLEMING, Jane b. 1798, d. 1876, m. Thompson H. Richards had: said Sophia Ann Richards m. B.P. Edwards and Elizabeth Jane Richards m. T.A. Ramsey, her mother

5. HULETT, Hannah b. c1771 NJ?, d. VA m-1 Francis Marra, m-2 Thomas Fleming
She & Francis Marra believe had a daughter Margaret, she & Thomas Fleming had said Jane Fleming m. T.H. Richards and Mary Fleming who married Andrew Fleming, her mother.

6. LIPPINCOTT, Anna m. Thomas Hulett, she married after his death Wm. Walker removed to Hampshire Co. VA, according to Chancery Suit Filed in Frederick Co. VA had daughters: Winifred Hulett m. Joseph Berry, Sarah Hulett m. David Marney, daughter married to John Rankin & Hannah Hulett married Francis Marra & second to Thomas Fleming, her mother.

7. RAY, Genet b. c1705 NJ m. Daniel Lippincott d. 1741 NJ, I have a copy of his will, they had: Elizabeth Lippincott m. Francis White, Audria Lippincott & said Anna Lippincott m. in NJ to Thomas Hulett.

On the net a researcher has connected Genet RAY family with the Scottish Family of Robert Rea/Rhea who married Janet Hampton. Said Janet Hampton was the daughter of John Hampton of Scotland & Monmouth Co. NJ. I descend through a son of said John Hampton Sr.

Said Robert Rhea will filed in Monmouth Co. NJ named his children: David, Elizabeth, Catherine, Margaret & Mary.

I do not have the Mitochondrial DNA profile for Janet Hampton, could be "L" but I rather doubt it. In any case, the documents filed in Monmouth Co. NJ would show she was not the mother of said Genet Ray.

I am looking for mixed race mother of Genet Ray. This female blood line is showing "L". I believe I need to go back about three more generations.

If you know of another Mitochondrial DNA connected with the above blood line I would appreciate knowning about it directly. So I can spend my time collecting new information about this blood line.

I have to go back 10 generation to reach Genet Ray. In her husband's will filed 1741 Monmouth Co. NJ was the statement his wife to have all the property she possessed before their marriage. She as his executor took an oath in court to file the necessary papers. So at that time she was not Quaker.

I have been able to find their marriage among the Quaker Records which I know existed about the time they should have been married. I have not found a record when or if Daniel Lippincott left Society of Friends.

I have the necessary land deeds & wills for Monmouth Co. NJ on permanent status at L.D.S. library and there is no record of her possessing property about the time of their marriage. The only male of that surname--Robert Ray/Rhea & his wife Janet Hampton came directly from Scotland. His will does not name her as a daughter.

I know that Daniel's uncle died in Barbados. My theory is that he (Daniel) went down to Barbados and married Genet and returned to N.J.

I have found men of Ray surname living in Barbados. Abram Ray left Scotland for Barbados c1692. John Ray mentioned in the will of Robert Harris as his brother-in-law about generation before Genet. So I know the surname was in Barbados.

The L.D.S. Lab does not have the necessary information on line, so I will have to find time to order the film at a later date.

We do have the issue of "the passing of Genet" into the white community. I think that feat is more likely done in the Barbados. I do not know what the laws about inter-racial marriage in what part of the world. The couple removing to a part of the world where the people did not know she was of mixed blood.

Daniel & Genet's children married legally in NJ.

1900 Fairfax Co. VA census stated that John & Mary Ella (Edwards) Ball had nine children could be nine alive for year 1900.

Their children who I know were alive in 1900: Mary Alice (living with her husband in Culpeper), Alma Watson (living with her huband in Fauquier Co. VA), Bessie, Lena (married), Booten, Murry & Florence.

I know of five other children-- first two could be alive in 1900: Gideon (living in DC boarder saleman of dry goods) & John Jackson (have not been able to locate him), two others I have death records: Miller died 1882 Fauquier Death Registry & Wertie died 1884 Culpeper Co. Death Registry, Washington Ball listed on Culpeper Birth Registry born 1885, he does not show up on later census, I assumed died young.

So I know they had 12 children, she (or the person who supplied the information to census taker) could have just forgotten about the three children: Miller, Wertie & Washington who died as young children.

Where Gideon & John Jackson Ball lived I do not know.

In any case, the information given on the 1900 census about the number of their children is not correct.

Found State of VA Reel 220 #1328 his death certificate. Some of the information does not match what I have found on line through "Find a Grave" or census . Since I started with very little about the children of John W. & Mary Ella (Edwards) Ball, very piece of information is useful.

Certificate of Death filed in Jeffersonton, Culpeper Co. VA: Gideon H. Ball male, white, marrried, born 11 Aug 1869 in Fauquier Co. VA, wife's name given as Katherine Bloomer, age of death 63 years, 5 months, 16 days, was retired Bookkeeper worked for Hugh? Riley Paint Co. of Washington, DC for 35 years, father John W. Ball born in Rappahannock, VA, mother Ella Edwards born VA, informant Mrs. G.H. Balll of Jeffersonton, VA, buried Washington, DC on 30 Jan 1933, cause of death found dead in his stable thought to be from Cerebral Hemorrhage or heart failure.