robertmackayclan

I just received an e-mail about my Edwards ancestory Gerrard Edwards.

My line from him:

1. Gerrard Edwards b. 1747, d. 1810 Morrisville, Fauquier Co. VA have a copy of his will, named as his wife Jemima and children: Benj., Elijah, Susanna, Milly & Wm. (my line).

2. Wm. Edwards b. 1787 Fauquier Co. VA, d. c1855 Fauquier Co. VA m. Maria Richards, their children: Frances M., Bushrod Payton (my line), James French & Wm. A. Edwards.

3. Bushrod P. Edwards b. 1822, m-1 his cousin Sophia Ann Richards (my line, m-2 Susan L. Rector, d. 1919 Warrenton Co. VA.

4. Mary Ella Edwards b. 1851, m. John Washington Ball, d. 26 Mar 1934 Washington, DC. Their children listed under another posting under children of John W. Ball.

The researcher is looking for the parentage of

Enoch Edwards b. 1804 m. Eliza.........? b. 1814 found on 1850 Fauquier Co. VA census with family of four children. I am guessing they removed out of the State of VA. I would try to find death records in connection with this group.

I have not been able to place this couple in my group of Edwards Family of Fauquier Co. VA.

I believe were several different Edwards Family living in Fauquier Co. VA.

When I first tried to find the ancestry of my Mary Ella I looked at Wesley Edwards & his wife Annsey Gladson, they had a daughter named Mary Julia born 1840, Sarah E. b. 1842, James A. b. 1843, Wm. H. Edwards b. 1844, Nancy Ann Edwards b. 1847, Alex. Marshall b. 1850, Lucy Frances b. 1854, Catherine Roberta b. 1855 & Virginia Anges b. 1858. I believe said Wesley was the son of Franklin Edwards b. c1775 married 12 Jun 1800 in Fauquier Co. VA to Nancy Linton. I have never been able to connect them with my group of Edwards.

If other can help her post a message here. I would hope a well run DNA study of the surname in VA could sort them out from each other.

Abtracted in book by Elizabeth Nickols Lee "King George Co. VA Death Registry"

"Enoch Edwards (m) (w) age 90 years, died 10 Sep 1875, Old Age, born & died in King George Co. VA, father James Edwards, mother Rose Edwards, information given by his son James M. Edwards."

"Ann M. Edwards (f), (w) age 73 years, died 27 Dec 1872, Fits, born in Shiloh, District King George Co. VA, died same county, parents unknown, information given by her husband Enoch Edwards"

I have check State of VA marriages records can be ordered 1786-1863, should cover the years you need.

They also have land deeds for the time period you might need.

Good luck with your research.

Abtracted in book by Elizabeth Nickols Lee "King George Co. VA Death Registry"

"Enoch Edwards (m) (w) age 90 years, died 10 Sep 1875, Old Age, born & died in King George Co. VA, father James Edwards, mother Rose Edwards, information given by his son James M. Edwards."

"Ann M. Edwards (f), (w) age 73 years, died 27 Dec 1872, Fits, born in Shiloh, District King George Co. VA, died same county, parents unknown, information given by her husband Enoch Edwards"

I have check State of VA marriages records can be ordered 1786-1863, should cover the years you need.

They also have land deeds for the time period you might need.

Good luck with your research.

It is from Godfrey's son Frederick Shipp census information which gave us the birth place of his father as being VA and his mother in VA.

However, the earliest known legal location for Godfrey Shipp would be 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD. Right on the line with PA. Another census record for his eldest son John Shipp (born 1801) states he was born in MD. He was my direct ancestor.

The 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD only has two males: 1 male under 10 and male as 10-15, which makes me wonder if the census was marked correctly. Older female 26-44. I do not see films in L.D.S. library collection which would be helpful tryng to figure out this family group. Will have to check public library later in the week. Surname indexed as Shipps, first name Goofsey? on Ancestry.com 1800 census.

As of 1810 the family was living in Hampshire Co. VA/WV and I am finding records for him in Shenandoah Co. VA (lived at Stoney Creek) as of 1818, where he died around 1830 census. The will book by Amelia C. Gilbreath only abtracted the wills found in those county books. I will start pulling that information into book form when I finish with land deeds.

The book by Ralph D. Shipp of CO, made the incorrect statement (which is all over the net) that all Shipp Families in VA were offspring of Wm. Shipp of early Norfolk, VA. Another researcher has proven Joshua Shipp (Ralph D. ancestor) was his own emigate and not directly related to said Wm.

When he compiled his book, D.N.A. testing really was not done. Now this is not the case a complete study could show if these various Shipp men were indeed related.

I have legal evidence that Godfrey had a brother named Jacob Shipp who it would appear traveled with him. There was a Frederick Shipp could be his father or older brother, but I lack evidence they were related. Godfrey did name a son Frederick, could be evidence or not. I just need evidence where they lived before Frederick Co. MARYLAND.

I am beginning to doubt that my group of Shipp were related to the other Shipp Families of Norfolk into NC and other parts of the south & west.

Another researcher has suggested that my Ship/Shipp was Shipe, but I have not seen evidence of that thought. I know the Shipe Family came down from PA into Shenandoah Co. VA.

I am only pulling information on my direct line of Shipp.

I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.

Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.

1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp

Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.

There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.

Unfortunately, I did not have the chance to exchange information directly with the late Harold Jean Bolen of GA. And I would have asked some direct & hard questions.

Our common ancestors were Reeves Bolen & Durainey Carrington. He descended from his eldest son John W. Bolen and my great-grandmother Dessie G. Bolen from his youngest son Sion M. Bolen.

When I first started to collect information about my great-grandmother Dessie Green Bolen I ran into his material:that the Bolen of Henderson Co. TN were descendants of the Bolling of VA (descendants of Pocahontas). As another researcher told me "he so wanted to be related Pocahontas that he just made up material about the family in North Carolina down from VA." The "Professional Genealogist" who he had hired stopped supplying him material when he saw him twisting, changing, deleting etc....material which did not fit with what he wanted to believe.

There are a lot of other researches (mostly living in the South) who have also supplied materials to others trying to connect their Bowling, Bolen etc...to the Bolling family of VA. The Collection of Papers called "Phelps Works" you can order all on film through L.D.S. library.

Well we now have D.N.A test and the Bolling family of VA has a rather large project collecting samples. I do not know if any of my male Bolen have been tested, but I am sure they are not related to the group that H.J. Bolen has spread information. Most likely they came down from MD into Granville Co. NC.

His materials show up in local newspapers and into others personal libraries. He was going to publish his works, but died before it could be completed, called "A Family History 1476-1976"

I realize it is not good to "speak ill of the dead", but he wasted a lot of my time and money collecting information about the Bolling of VA. Why should I sit by and let others waste their time & money as well.

My cousin from TN send me some picture of the Bolen of Henderson Co. TN that belong to the descendants of John W. Bolen and some could have had "non-white" blood lines, but they would not have been from Pocahontas !!! Perhaps in the future Mitochondrial DNA test might shed light on this mytery.

Now that I know the earlier generations of my family, had it wrong about the family being English and now I know they were German.

I began to question-- why I could not find the marriage record for Godfrey's son John Shipp. I was looking in Frederick Co. MD.

Listed in the notes of my grandfather have these two entries:

"John Shipp to Elizabeth Lewis line #108 page 43 Aug 20 1818"

"Jacob Shipp to Eliza Hoffman 110 Jul 18,1819"

Either my grandfather or one of his uncle visited the court house in Shenandoah Co. VA and recorded the two entries.

If the actual registry really has the name as Ship, Shipp or Shipe, I will order the film later through public library.

The compiled book by John Vogt has the above two men's marriages as:

"Ship, Jacob to Elizabeth Coffman 19 Jan 1819, bondman Windel Coffman". I have found land deed division in Shenandoah Co. VA, named spelled with "C" not "H".

"Shipe, John to Elizabeth Lewin 17 Aug 1818, daughter of James & Mable"

Two problems now arise, is the said John Shipe really my John Shipp and was his wife member of Lewis (as we have been told) or LEWIN.

Furthermore, I was given the parentage of Elizabeth Lewis as Garland S. & Anna (McCauley) Lewis, by the branch of the family who descended from sister of my John. How others would get this so wrong, is beyond me. Where did they come up with Garland S. Lewis if the name really should be James Lewin and Mable for Anna McCauley.

In any case, the parentage of John's wife I will have start to look for them in Shenandoah Co. VA and not in Frederick Co. MD. According to 1810 & 1820 I have found men by the name of LEWIN but not Lewis.