robertmackayclan

It is from Godfrey's son Frederick Shipp census information which gave us the birth place of his father as being VA and his mother in VA.

However, the earliest known legal location for Godfrey Shipp would be 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD. Right on the line with PA. Another census record for his eldest son John Shipp (born 1801) states he was born in MD. He was my direct ancestor.

The 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD only has two males: 1 male under 10 and male as 10-15, which makes me wonder if the census was marked correctly. Older female 26-44. I do not see films in L.D.S. library collection which would be helpful tryng to figure out this family group. Will have to check public library later in the week. Surname indexed as Shipps, first name Goofsey? on Ancestry.com 1800 census.

As of 1810 the family was living in Hampshire Co. VA/WV and I am finding records for him in Shenandoah Co. VA (lived at Stoney Creek) as of 1818, where he died around 1830 census. The will book by Amelia C. Gilbreath only abtracted the wills found in those county books. I will start pulling that information into book form when I finish with land deeds.

The book by Ralph D. Shipp of CO, made the incorrect statement (which is all over the net) that all Shipp Families in VA were offspring of Wm. Shipp of early Norfolk, VA. Another researcher has proven Joshua Shipp (Ralph D. ancestor) was his own emigate and not directly related to said Wm.

When he compiled his book, D.N.A. testing really was not done. Now this is not the case a complete study could show if these various Shipp men were indeed related.

I have legal evidence that Godfrey had a brother named Jacob Shipp who it would appear traveled with him. There was a Frederick Shipp could be his father or older brother, but I lack evidence they were related. Godfrey did name a son Frederick, could be evidence or not. I just need evidence where they lived before Frederick Co. MARYLAND.

I am beginning to doubt that my group of Shipp were related to the other Shipp Families of Norfolk into NC and other parts of the south & west.

Another researcher has suggested that my Ship/Shipp was Shipe, but I have not seen evidence of that thought. I know the Shipe Family came down from PA into Shenandoah Co. VA.

I am only pulling information on my direct line of Shipp.

Found on the 1850 Shenandoah Co. VA census dated 26 Sep the household of

John Shipp 49, collier, Elizabeth 50, George W. 17, Harriet 15, Mary 13, Louisa 12, Elizabeth 10, ANNA 7, Wm. H. 5.

For some reason I can't find John on the 1860,1870 or 1880 census. He was married the second time 1871 in Rockingham Co. VA and I have found him listed on Non-Population Schedule 1850-1880 on Elk Run in Rockingham Co. VA.

By 1860 his five eldest children married, but Elizabeth, Anna & Wm.H. could still living with him.

His youngest child according the 1850 census Wm. H. Shipp married 1867 in Shenandoah Co. VA.

I do not know what happened to Elizabeth Shipp, but Anna I now believe was the living with Wm. H. Shipp 1900 Fauquier Co. VA census "Nansey K. Shipp born Nov 1848 age given as 54 across out with 51. I believe should read Nov 1842 age 58. Most likely died before 1910 census.

John Shipp & his wife Elizabeth Lewin had

1. Sarah Shipp b. 23 Sep 1825 Plumb Run, Hampshire Co. VA/WV m. 13 Apr 1854 at Jonathan Shipp's house in Rockingham Co. VA to Jacob H. Grimm, d. 7 Sep 1897. Arrington's book has a copy of her marriage record signed by said John Shipp as his daughter.

2. George W. Shipp b. 1833 VA m. Sarah A.........? can't seem to find them on later census.

3. Harriet Shipp b. 1835 VA, m. 2 Aug 1851 Harrisonburg, Rockingham Co. VA to Joseph Scothern.

4. Mary Shipp b. 1837 VA m. 3 Apr 1854 to George W. Grimm. Arrington's book as a signed note by her father said John Shipp for permittion for their marriage.

5. Louisa Shipp b. 23 Mar 1839 VA m. 22 Apr 1856 to Thomas H. Becks, d. 5 May 1902, buried Mill Creek Cemetery, Rockingham Co. VA. Arrington book has a copy of their marriage bond with note from her father John Shipp

6. Elizabeth Shipp b. 1840 VA the only record I have about her listed on 1850 Shenandoah Co. VA census.

7. Nansey K. "Anna" Shipp born Nov 1842, most likely the same woman living with her brother Wm. H. Shipp for 1900 Fauquier Co. VA, not listed with the family member 1910. I did not see her grave next to her father in Midland Cemetery, Fauquier Co. VA and not listed in compiled book by Baird. I do not think the death registry cover the years she might have died.

8. Wm. Harvey Shipp b. 27 Feb 1844 Columbia Furnace, Shenandoah Co. VA, m. 29 Aug 1867 Shenandoah Co. VA to Priscilla Ann Bridges, d. 5 Dec 1909 Lee District, Fauquier Co. VA, buried in Midland Cemetery, Fauquier Co. VA.
The "Family Story" was he was the baby of the family. His mother would have been 44 year of age at the time of his birth.

I will continue to look for more information about John & Elizabeth (Lewin) Shipp and their children.

I have order additional reports about my J 1 c 8 results. If they give any interesting information I will pass it along. The two matches I received notice "being a match" have not been helpful.

This results, however, has settle any thought this female line contained African-American or Native American.

The following surnames I will be trying to tract through legal & public records: starting with my grandmother:

1. Olive Odillion KING born 29 Oct 1906 (born on mother's birth date) Yuma, Carroll Co. TN died 22 Jun 1982 Silver Spring, Montgomery Co. MD m. Roy Dennis Hopgood, she had one sister who could have passed along the same Mitochondrial markers. She was the daughter of:

2. Dessie Green BOLEN b. 29 Oct 1885 Bowling Green, Warren Co. KY, died 4 Nov 1967 Alton, Madison Co. KY married Joseph Hulon King, she had sisters who could have passed along the same D.N.A. markers. She was the daughter of:

I have a picture (me, my mother, O.O. King & D.G. Bolen) of the four generations of this direct line. I have personal knowledge of all the women in this direct line and offical records.

3. Amanda E. MELTON b. 25 Aug 1853 Henderson Co. TN, d. 30 Aug 1888 Yuma, Carroll Co. TN m. Sion Monroe Bolen, she was the only daughter of:
I have a picture of Amanda E. with my gr-grandmother as an infant.

4. Frances L. MORRIS b. 1824 Henderson Co. VA, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN married Cornelius Melton, she had a sister and they were the daughter of Elizabeth

5. Elizabeth BROWN b. 1780 in Orange Co. NC, d. after 1872 Henderson Co. VA, married Isaac Morris. For the 1870 Henderson Co. TN she was living with her daughter Frances L. (Morris) Melton and her granddaughter Amanda E. Melton. So my line is set for seven generations.

The records I have order and studied for Henderson Co. TN, I can't find a legal document naming the parents of said Elizabeth (Brown) Morris. If the records exist then I will have to find them in other counties in TN or in Orange Co. NC.

I am still looking for good documentation as to the children of Isaac Morris & said Elizabeth Brown.

I am aware others have posted information about my line on the "net" and a good amount of the information they do not give their sources.

Found L.D.S. #306947 Orange Co. NC deed & minute books only date given 1817 for the above case. I do not think the Isaac Morris is my direct ancestor.

Jury finding Issac Morris guilty in "the bill of instrument" The record does not say what he was charged with "taken to the public whipping post 39 lashes on his bare back and cost of 100 pounds fee & cost".

This film is full of others in Orange Co. NC also whipped & fined for having "unlawful relations" resulting in children born "out of wedlock". I do not know if this is the case with Isaac Morris, or he did something else.

My Isaac Morris it is said was in TN in by this time, however the dates are not applied to each case file, just what was done each year.

There was a Isaac Morris who married in Orange Co. NC on 8th Jan 1812 to Nancy CHEEK. And I do not know if or how he is related to my group of Morris/Brown of Orange Co. NC.

Members of our McKay family married into the Cheek family, perhaps others know who this Isaac Morris was who was whipped.

With so much new information I am finding with Shipp & Snyder I have not found the time to post information in connection with my Morris & Brown families which I have found months ago.

I have not run Isaac Morris & Elizabeth Brown through Ancestory.com to see whats others have posted.

It is from Godfrey's son Frederick Shipp census information which gave us the birth place of his father as being VA and his mother in VA.

However, the earliest known legal location for Godfrey Shipp would be 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD. Right on the line with PA. Another census record for his eldest son John Shipp (born 1801) states he was born in MD. He was my direct ancestor.

The 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD only has two males: 1 male under 10 and male as 10-15, which makes me wonder if the census was marked correctly. Older female 26-44. I do not see films in L.D.S. library collection which would be helpful tryng to figure out this family group. Will have to check public library later in the week. Surname indexed as Shipps, first name Goofsey? on Ancestry.com 1800 census.

As of 1810 the family was living in Hampshire Co. VA/WV and I am finding records for him in Shenandoah Co. VA (lived at Stoney Creek) as of 1818, where he died around 1830 census. The will book by Amelia C. Gilbreath only abtracted the wills found in those county books. I will start pulling that information into book form when I finish with land deeds.

The book by Ralph D. Shipp of CO, made the incorrect statement (which is all over the net) that all Shipp Families in VA were offspring of Wm. Shipp of early Norfolk, VA. Another researcher has proven Joshua Shipp (Ralph D. ancestor) was his own emigate and not directly related to said Wm.

When he compiled his book, D.N.A. testing really was not done. Now this is not the case a complete study could show if these various Shipp men were indeed related.

I have legal evidence that Godfrey had a brother named Jacob Shipp who it would appear traveled with him. There was a Frederick Shipp could be his father or older brother, but I lack evidence they were related. Godfrey did name a son Frederick, could be evidence or not. I just need evidence where they lived before Frederick Co. MARYLAND.

I am beginning to doubt that my group of Shipp were related to the other Shipp Families of Norfolk into NC and other parts of the south & west.

Another researcher has suggested that my Ship/Shipp was Shipe, but I have not seen evidence of that thought. I know the Shipe Family came down from PA into Shenandoah Co. VA.

I am only pulling information on my direct line of Shipp.

Looking for my distant Ball cousins who might be interested in submitting a D.N.A. sample.

Years ago I found the grave marker of Booten French Ball with his parents and brother-in-law at C.S.A. cemetery in Manassas, VA.

Since, he was buried without a wife, I wrongly assumed he was single. However, I have found him on the later Federal Census in Pr.Wm.Co.VA. with wife Alma F. and children. It would appear they had two sons: Clifford D. Ball & Clay W. I did find the marriage record for Clifford D. Ball on the Pr.Wm.Co.VA Marriage Registry. Information found on this record "Clifford D.Ball age 22 years, born & living in Pr.Wm.Co.VA, parents Booten Ball & Alma F. Mohler, shipping clerk, married 22 Jun 1929 to Aileen H. Shifflet 19 years, born College Park, MD, living in Manassas, VA, parents David Shifflet & Ivan? Kane"

His brother Murray Lewis Ball, his marriage record in Pr.Wm.Co.VA, living in Fairfax Co. VA list his name as Murray E. Ball, parents John W. & Mary E. Ball married 23 Jan 1907 to Lillian Breen 22 years, parents John J. & Fannie Breen.

I can't seem to find them on the census. Both brothers of my great-grandmother Moslena/Lena (Ball) might have living male Ball descendants.

She had other brothers: Gideon (have not found a death record), John Jackson (have not found a death record), Miller (died @2 years) & Washington (have not found a death record).

As far as I can tell, no one else has the above information about these two men on the net.

I have order additional reports about my J 1 c 8 results. If they give any interesting information I will pass it along. The two matches I received notice "being a match" have not been helpful.

This results, however, has settle any thought this female line contained African-American or Native American.

The following surnames I will be trying to tract through legal & public records: starting with my grandmother:

1. Olive Odillion KING born 29 Oct 1906 (born on mother's birth date) Yuma, Carroll Co. TN died 22 Jun 1982 Silver Spring, Montgomery Co. MD m. Roy Dennis Hopgood, she had one sister who could have passed along the same Mitochondrial markers. She was the daughter of:

2. Dessie Green BOLEN b. 29 Oct 1885 Bowling Green, Warren Co. KY, died 4 Nov 1967 Alton, Madison Co. KY married Joseph Hulon King, she had sisters who could have passed along the same D.N.A. markers. She was the daughter of:

I have a picture (me, my mother, O.O. King & D.G. Bolen) of the four generations of this direct line. I have personal knowledge of all the women in this direct line and offical records.

3. Amanda E. MELTON b. 25 Aug 1853 Henderson Co. TN, d. 30 Aug 1888 Yuma, Carroll Co. TN m. Sion Monroe Bolen, she was the only daughter of:
I have a picture of Amanda E. with my gr-grandmother as an infant.

4. Frances L. MORRIS b. 1824 Henderson Co. VA, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN married Cornelius Melton, she had a sister and they were the daughter of Elizabeth

5. Elizabeth BROWN b. 1780 in Orange Co. NC, d. after 1872 Henderson Co. VA, married Isaac Morris. For the 1870 Henderson Co. TN she was living with her daughter Frances L. (Morris) Melton and her granddaughter Amanda E. Melton. So my line is set for seven generations.

The records I have order and studied for Henderson Co. TN, I can't find a legal document naming the parents of said Elizabeth (Brown) Morris. If the records exist then I will have to find them in other counties in TN or in Orange Co. NC.

I am still looking for good documentation as to the children of Isaac Morris & said Elizabeth Brown.

I am aware others have posted information about my line on the "net" and a good amount of the information they do not give their sources.

Information found in Ancestry.com computer bank about the couple Isaac Morris & Elizabeth Brown, just wrong and misleading. Researchers should just seek out your own material.

People seem to think they can post information and then are not responsible to give any kind of sources. The true of the matter is that they have no original records, for they are just clicking information into their trees from other computer files.