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It is from Godfrey's son Frederick Shipp census information which gave us the birth place of his father as being VA and his mother in VA.

However, the earliest known legal location for Godfrey Shipp would be 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD. Right on the line with PA. Another census record for his eldest son John Shipp (born 1801) states he was born in MD. He was my direct ancestor.

The 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD only has two males: 1 male under 10 and male as 10-15, which makes me wonder if the census was marked correctly. Older female 26-44. I do not see films in L.D.S. library collection which would be helpful tryng to figure out this family group. Will have to check public library later in the week. Surname indexed as Shipps, first name Goofsey? on Ancestry.com 1800 census.

As of 1810 the family was living in Hampshire Co. VA/WV and I am finding records for him in Shenandoah Co. VA (lived at Stoney Creek) as of 1818, where he died around 1830 census. The will book by Amelia C. Gilbreath only abtracted the wills found in those county books. I will start pulling that information into book form when I finish with land deeds.

The book by Ralph D. Shipp of CO, made the incorrect statement (which is all over the net) that all Shipp Families in VA were offspring of Wm. Shipp of early Norfolk, VA. Another researcher has proven Joshua Shipp (Ralph D. ancestor) was his own emigate and not directly related to said Wm.

When he compiled his book, D.N.A. testing really was not done. Now this is not the case a complete study could show if these various Shipp men were indeed related.

I have legal evidence that Godfrey had a brother named Jacob Shipp who it would appear traveled with him. There was a Frederick Shipp could be his father or older brother, but I lack evidence they were related. Godfrey did name a son Frederick, could be evidence or not. I just need evidence where they lived before Frederick Co. MARYLAND.

I am beginning to doubt that my group of Shipp were related to the other Shipp Families of Norfolk into NC and other parts of the south & west.

Another researcher has suggested that my Ship/Shipp was Shipe, but I have not seen evidence of that thought. I know the Shipe Family came down from PA into Shenandoah Co. VA.

I am only pulling information on my direct line of Shipp.

After studying my Shipp problem with a librarian at L.D.S. (a German Researcher), given the oldest known location of Godfrey Shipp as being in Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD.

We started thinking over the issue of his movements, if it were likely he removed from Norfolk or Essex Co. VA into that part of MD.

After looking over PA arrivals of passengers, we found a listing of Palatines imported in the ship Molly, Capt Olive, sailed out of Rotterdam:

John Frederick "X" Shipp age 22, and he took an oath at court house in Philadelphia, PA on 17 Oct 1741.

I have other bits and pieces of information found in Frederick Co. MD which I need to put into focus. "We" think my Godfrey Shipps found on 1800 Frederick Co. MD was an orphan living with younger brother Jacob and their mother (name I do not have). There was a Godfrey Ship who died in Frederick Co. VA c1782, need to look at those papers.

As it stands now, all that work trying to connect my Shenandoah Co. VA Shipp Family with the Shipp Family of early Norfolk Co. VA, was in vain. They are not related at all.

My Shipp Family is not English but GERMAN.

I found the family group for Murray L. Ball & his wife Lillian E. (Breen) living in Bladensburg, Co. VA for 1930 census: Murray 45, Lillie E. 45, Odie R. 18, Charles A. 11, Minnie R. 9.

According to "The Ball Family of Carter's Run" they had two other sons: Milford G. Ball born c1907. Their second son Lewis R. Ball & his wife Marjorie living next to his parents. He 20 years of age, she 17 years of age.

Also living in the same household: Peyton A. Edwards 50 (Uncle of Murry L. Ball) and Mary E. Ball 78 (mother of Murray).

Years ago I send for the death certificate of Mary Ella (Edwards) Ball stated she died 56th V St. NW Washington, DC, the information given by Mrs. C.A. Stretton (Carrie Shipp) grandaughter. Stated she had lived in that location for 10 years, she died 1934. So would appear to be a conflict with the information supplied on her death record.

According to Murry Ball marriage record he was born in Culpeper Co. VA and living in Fairfax Co. VA at the time of his marriag 23 Jan 1907 married in Pr.Wm.Co.VA to Lillian Breen. I can't seems to find him on the 1910 nor 1920 census.

Any case, he had male descendants.

My grandmother Olive Odillion King was the gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of the Rev. John KING one of three Methodist ministers send to America by John Wesley.

I have two published books dealing with the parentage & early life of John King and some of their information does not match.

The book published by "The Carroll Co. TN Historical Society", done by committee.

"Joel King b. on or about 1710. Well to do, prosperous member of Church of England. His youngest son John King who became first Methodist to preach in Baltimore,MD.

"John King born 1746 in Leicestershire, England, youngest son of Joel King. He studied at Oxford University and London Medical College where he obtained his Medical Degree. While in London he met John Wesley and was converted to Methodism and became a coworker with Wesley, Bishop Ashbury and Pillmore. John King set sail for America in 1769 at the age 23. In 1770 he started preaching in DE, MD, NJ & VA. He was first Methodist to preach in Baltimore, MD. He was one of original council of ten that composted first Methodist conference in America in 1773.

"In December he married Sallie (Sarah) Seawell from a prominent family of Butte Co. NC. They bought a home near Louisburn, Franklin Co. NC and then 1779 moved to Wake Co. NC 10 miles west of Raleigh. He took part in the first Methodist conference of NC. When Franklin Academy was chartered in 1787 he was first named on list of trustee. He died in Wake Co. NC 1795. He was survived by his wife and six children: Joel, John Wesley, Benj., Thomas, Wm. Fletcher & Elizabeth".

No sources are given for where they got the information.

Because I was going on the birth place of John in Leicestershire, I saw that a member of L.D.S. church placed a marriage record for Joel King & Rose Clark in St. John Baptist in Northampton, England. I did find the original record for this marriage L.D.S. fiche 6128581 on the 14th fiche of 26. Bride & groom stated of that parish. Since his county is next to Leicestershire, thought might be the parents of John. Now think this Joel was not the father of my John.

The second book by Ben Lee Seawell "The Genealogy of The Known Descendants of Col. Benj. Seawell & Lucy Hicks".

This book has a picture/painting of Rev. John King, St. George Methodist Episcopal Church of Philadelphia, PA and ink drawning of John preaching in Baltimore, MD.

This book states that John was born in Lancaster, England. Not near the other two locations. This book has some of the same information about his preaching in MD, NJ, VA & NC.

"Where he preached his first sermon from a blacksmith's block at the street corner", this book as a ink drawing of the act.

"He was present at the first Methodist Episcopal Conference ever held in NC on 20th Apr 1785 at the home of his brother-in-law Rev. Green Hill."

This book as well as other published books on Seawell family stated the family from Brunswick Co. VA, not NC.

I have copy of his will and inventory. He was a slave owner.

In short I have two different birth places for John King. I will have to find the actual parish before I can order fiche/film.

I think his wife's family was from Brunswick Co. VA and not NC. I have no idea where each two books got their information. That I will have to find for myself.

You can google "Rev. John King" most likely information will "pop up". Now if correct I have no idea.

I believe a male descend of Rev. John King is included in FamilytreeDNA study for King family.

Since the court house of Henderson Co. TN has in the past burned down, all the early records for the people living in the area were lost. Like marriage records, birth or death records, land deeds and will etc.... So "we" have to use whatever we can find.

Some of the names of Elizabeth's children are based on Federal Census or Bible Records which have been collected by researchers in the past, some could be based on oral conversation.

Children of Isaac & Elizabeth (Brown) Morris:

1. Mahala Morris b. c1800 NC, she was living with Elizabeth Morrice (sic) for the 1830, not listed for 1840 census, either married or died without issue. She was included on the listing of children supplied by Delores Holladay.

2. Henry Morris b. 18 May 1805 NC, m-1 28 Jan 1830 Henderson Co. TN China G. Foyster, m-2 29 Dec 1841 in Henderson Co. to Piety Cazort, d. 3 Oct 1851 Henderson Co. TN, buried in Morris Family Cemetery in Henderson Co. TN. I have a picture of his grave marker, bible records dealing with his families found in the works of Jonathan K.T. Smith. Said Delores Holladay was a descendant of this couple. If she had personal knowledge about parentage & siblings of Henry I do not know. Hope that is the case.
He had a son named Felix and a daughter named Amanda, so did Frances L. (Morris) Melton.

3. Zenus Morris b. 1814 NC, m-1...........? m-2 c1838 Dorothy Ann Austin, d. c1859 Henderson Co. TN. I believe I have contacted in the past by researcher of his line. For the latter census I believe one of his daughters living with Benson family. I do not know if this is the only reason believe a relationship with #4 James G. Morris. There is a place for male his age group 1830 census Elizabeth Morrice (sic)

4. James G. Morris b. 1817 NC m. c1842 Mahala Benson, d. c1869 Henderson Co. TN. Delores Holladay had him on her list as son of Elizabeth as James Morris. D.N.A test has been done.

5. Wm. Pitts Morris b. 12 Jan 1817 Sumner Co. TN, m. 2 Jul 1838 Perry Co. TN to Elvira Jane Johnson, d. 22 Apr 1893 Camden Cemetery in Benton Co. TN. His name on the list of Delores Holladay. You will find a lot information about him in the works of Jonathan K.T. Smith. In connection with him is only one piece of information which named his parents as Isaac Morris & Elizabeth Brown as coming into TN for Orange Co. NC. I have not been able to find any record that he directly named any of his siblings. In the works of Jonathan K.T. Smith stated that he personal talked to the family members of said Wm. P. Morris. His works contains a picture of said Wm. P. Morris & his house.

6. George W. Morris b. 1821 TN, m. L.J. Morgan, died by 1870 Henderson Co. TN. He is connected to Elizabeth and his sister Frances L. (Morris) Melton by census information. Delores Holladay did not include him on her listing of children.

7. Frances L. Morris b. 1824 Henderson Co. TN, m. Cornelius Melton, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN. Connected to Elizabeth (Brown) Morris by 1830,1840,1850, 1860 & 1870 census. Delores Holladay did not include her on her listing of children. This is my blood line, D.N.A. done.

Since Reed Morris has done his D.N.A test any Morris male has been handed a "gold opportunity" , just submit your own sample to see if you match.

If you descend from said Mahala Morris then you could help document the above set of children.

I have the names of other Morrice living in 1830 Henderson Co. TN, if you know if related to Isaac & Elizabeth (Brown) Morris, I would love to know your sources.

so does this mean that James G. Morris is not a part of the family containing Henry,Zenus, etc.?

I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.

Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.

1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp

Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.

There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.

I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.

Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.

1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp

Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.

There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.

I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.

Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.

1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp

Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.

There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.

Found in Ancestry.com computer bank about 50 people have just traded information about Godfrey Shipp Sr. by "click" information into their family trees.

I have no idea if any of them are descendants of Godfrey Shipp or just hunting for names to put into their data base.

In any case, Godfrey Shipp Sr. was NOT born in VA, most likely in PA or MD, married in Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. VA to a Elizabeth.........?(most likely German), married before 1801, first son John born in MD, removed to Plum Run in Hampshire Co. VA/WV @1805, down to Shenandoah Co. VA by 1818. They were members of the local Lutheran Church. I have already found his brother Jacob Shipp's children in Lutheran Church Records.

Godfrey Sr. had the following children:

1. John, no MIDDLE NAME
2. Jacob
3. Godfrey Jr., he was the one who had a daughter named Catherine
4. Henry
5. Frederick
6. Mary
7. Lettice
8. Wm.
9. Jonathan

the above people are joined together by census, marriage records, birth & death registries.

According to a letter from my grandfather Walter Eugene Shipp's uncle there was another daughter who married Mr. Henry and they had a son James Henry I have not been able to confirm.

One of the researchers responsed to my comments about her data, "Why would your grandfather make up information." She did not want to answer the question if she personally researched the material!.

I answered her question with another question "Why do researchers take other computer files into their data base, without questioning the information?"

Why do researchers deny this family was a German Family and not English ? I have no idea. There was in the US anti-German feelings starting with WWI to WWII. My grandfather wanted his surname to be a English Family with "Coat of Arms" and influence and money in State of VA.