robertmackayclan

Hello, I recently tested positive for J1c8. I have had the full genomic sequence performed. Not too familiar with the mitochondrial side of things, but I have been rather involved with my Y-dna. Where is the project that you mention??



Sam Isaacs

You can go to this site and they have a map of posting of person who have posted the location of their oldest named ancestor.

My Elizabeth Brown is posted under NC born 1780, died in TN.

The only woman of an older generation is Grizelle Kimbrough born 1720 in MD.

I have not fully documented the parentage of Elizabeth, but the records are taking me up into VA. So she could be of interest in the future.

I do not know if you can use this information if you have not be classified as J1c8. You have to be tested for the full test (68 marker) to see if you belong.

Yes, I have had the full genomic sequence test performed and I am confirmed to belong to J1c8. My earliest Maternal ancestor was a Susan Fields, born 1881 in Kentucky. I do not know what her maiden name was. I recently joined the ftdna project for this haplogroup, my kit number is 151463, I'm still listed in the unassigned group. I have no clue as to what her ethnic background would have been, If I had to guess, I would say either Ulster-Scots or English.

Susan Fields born in 1881 KY???????, which county, when and where was she married ? You should be able to find her marriage record.

Where do you do your research ? Might check L.D.S. Labs on line for marriage records that have been edited and put on line. They have film you can order. They have census records on line.

Your local library might have books & film you can order for "free", of course you will have to read through all of them.

I see that two men have send in samples under the name Shipe. Since they have not been included under Shipley/Schiff/Ship/Shipp (one sample for Shipp) I am assuming they did not match??

I have posted a message under Discussion Forum GenForm--SHIPE.

They do not have any men using the surname Shupp. They left records in Washington Co. MD, next door to Frederick Co. MD.

I am assuming the D.N.A. samples are telling me what I have thought that Shipe & Shipp are two different families just living in the same area of VA.

I have seen by modern compilers they have added "e" to some of my Ship/Shipp entries in compiled sources for Shenandoah Co. VA.

I think it is very likely Shipe & Shipp lived in the same location in Germany and I have seen them in Frederick Co. MD records.

Balser Sower/Sauer found in Frederick Co. MD and then later in Shenandoah Co. VA. There was a Sower on the same ship with John Frederick Shipp.

Received an e-mail from Family Tree DNA that Shipp, Schupp & Shipe all belong to Haplogroup "R", 80% of European men belong to this group.

Still to hope to heard from men who have sent in their samples

After studying my Shipp problem with a librarian at L.D.S. (a German Researcher), given the oldest known location of Godfrey Shipp as being in Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD.

We started thinking over the issue of his movements, if it were likely he removed from Norfolk or Essex Co. VA into that part of MD.

After looking over PA arrivals of passengers, we found a listing of Palatines imported in the ship Molly, Capt Olive, sailed out of Rotterdam:

John Frederick "X" Shipp age 22, and he took an oath at court house in Philadelphia, PA on 17 Oct 1741.

I have other bits and pieces of information found in Frederick Co. MD which I need to put into focus. "We" think my Godfrey Shipps found on 1800 Frederick Co. MD was an orphan living with younger brother Jacob and their mother (name I do not have). There was a Godfrey Ship who died in Frederick Co. VA c1782, need to look at those papers.

As it stands now, all that work trying to connect my Shenandoah Co. VA Shipp Family with the Shipp Family of early Norfolk Co. VA, was in vain. They are not related at all.

My Shipp Family is not English but GERMAN.

Found a marriage record for Malachias Fisher & Hannah Leech, both single of Abington, bondman JOHN SHIPP & Joseph Ferguson 16 Jan 1776.

According to the German Researcher I am working with, "we" need to find out if John F. Shipp was a member of German Reformed Church (Swiss) or Lutheran (German) Church.

I will be finding out more about said John Frederick Shipp, but it would appear he remained in Philadelphia, PA at least until 1776.

The surname is clearly spelled as Shipp, not Shipe or Schupp.

I think it will turn out that Shipp is a rather common name in Germany.

According to my report person/persons have submitted the parentage of my Elizabeth Brown as James Brown & Jane Denniston. Nice thought-- but given the information about the couple I see no way they could be the parents of my Elizabeth Brown.

I have a good prime suspects as who they were and not above couple.

The report has the statement"Haplogroup J1c8 only recently discovered, less than a year ago, in 2009. To date, there are only 13 who have been identified as J1c8 and joined the haplogroup J project" They also stated that to go into this group MUST be tested at the highest level (67 markers), so there could already be persons in the study who have this grouping, but have not upgraded to 67 marker test.

The report goes on to say "Of the 13 people identified, only five are mapped, 2 in UK, 2 in Germany and 1 in Canada."

"I think it is probably safe to say, given the various data within the project and from your own testing that haplogroup J1c8 was probably born in Germany and then migrated either with the Celtic people or the later Anglo-Saxons to England." Gee, I think that is a safe statement.

Well I know of about 100 plus persons just as the descendants of said Elizabeth Brown, if they were tested (must take 67 marker test to qualify as J1c8) would show a totally different picture.

I hope to expand the areas of the US where Elizabeth's female line traveled. Two areas I am looking at Westmoreland Co. VA, Loudoun Co. VA and perhaps NJ area.

In any case, I am interested in any and all of my TN cousins to consider submitting a D.N.A. test. It's "embarrassing" being the only American in the group. My son sample should show up in a few weeks, so their will be just two of us.

I have J1c8. What type of info are you looking for?

I have posted my oldest known female ancestor here on Michael's site. So other can see if they can make a connection.

Plus, personally I am trying just to collect all my Haplogroup on my pedigree chart.

I think my Elizabeth Brown's family goes back to Loudoun Co. VA. She was born 1780 in Orange Co. NC, so I am looking for researchers who have documented their line back far in time than I have.

I have J1c8. What type of info are you looking for?

According to Family Tree DNA I have only two full matches to two men one living in Norway & one in Wales.

My son Travis Dee Buck is not listed under a full match with me because he only did the second degree of testing. 36 or 37 markers.

Just because we share J1c8 doesn't real mean we have a common ancestor who we could find through documentation. I happen to know there are at least 80 living people if they were tested would share the same markers.

I was told by the company a person has to be tested for the 68 marker test and this grouping has only been uncovered in the last few years.

Did they tell you the same thing ?

It is from Godfrey's son Frederick Shipp census information which gave us the birth place of his father as being VA and his mother in VA.

However, the earliest known legal location for Godfrey Shipp would be 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD. Right on the line with PA. Another census record for his eldest son John Shipp (born 1801) states he was born in MD. He was my direct ancestor.

The 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD only has two males: 1 male under 10 and male as 10-15, which makes me wonder if the census was marked correctly. Older female 26-44. I do not see films in L.D.S. library collection which would be helpful tryng to figure out this family group. Will have to check public library later in the week. Surname indexed as Shipps, first name Goofsey? on Ancestry.com 1800 census.

As of 1810 the family was living in Hampshire Co. VA/WV and I am finding records for him in Shenandoah Co. VA (lived at Stoney Creek) as of 1818, where he died around 1830 census. The will book by Amelia C. Gilbreath only abtracted the wills found in those county books. I will start pulling that information into book form when I finish with land deeds.

The book by Ralph D. Shipp of CO, made the incorrect statement (which is all over the net) that all Shipp Families in VA were offspring of Wm. Shipp of early Norfolk, VA. Another researcher has proven Joshua Shipp (Ralph D. ancestor) was his own emigate and not directly related to said Wm.

When he compiled his book, D.N.A. testing really was not done. Now this is not the case a complete study could show if these various Shipp men were indeed related.

I have legal evidence that Godfrey had a brother named Jacob Shipp who it would appear traveled with him. There was a Frederick Shipp could be his father or older brother, but I lack evidence they were related. Godfrey did name a son Frederick, could be evidence or not. I just need evidence where they lived before Frederick Co. MARYLAND.

I am beginning to doubt that my group of Shipp were related to the other Shipp Families of Norfolk into NC and other parts of the south & west.

Another researcher has suggested that my Ship/Shipp was Shipe, but I have not seen evidence of that thought. I know the Shipe Family came down from PA into Shenandoah Co. VA.

I am only pulling information on my direct line of Shipp.

I have no idea who some of the people are who placed information into their system about Wm. Harvey Shipp & his wife Priscilla A. Bridges.

Wm. Harvey Shipp did not died in Pittsburgh, PA, his father's name was just John Shipp, no middle name William. This couple had 12 children (which can be confirmed from birth, death registries and census) 9 alive for 1910 census.

1. John L. Shipp
2. Milton E. Shipp
3. Socrates B. Shipp
4. Franklin Shipp
5. Samuel C. Shipp
6. Cora A. Shipp died c1879
7. Mathias H. Shipp, my great-grandfather
8. Carry Shipp died c1909
9. Homer B. Shipp
10. Dewitt Shipp died c1900
11. Jacob Harvey Shipp
12. Nannie L. Shipp

Said Cora, Carry & Dewitt died before their parents.

There never existed Murray Shipp b. c1882 m. 1907 Mildred Shipp.

Found on the 1850 Shenandoah Co. VA census dated 26 Sep the household of

John Shipp 49, collier, Elizabeth 50, George W. 17, Harriet 15, Mary 13, Louisa 12, Elizabeth 10, ANNA 7, Wm. H. 5.

For some reason I can't find John on the 1860,1870 or 1880 census. He was married the second time 1871 in Rockingham Co. VA and I have found him listed on Non-Population Schedule 1850-1880 on Elk Run in Rockingham Co. VA.

By 1860 his five eldest children married, but Elizabeth, Anna & Wm.H. could still living with him.

His youngest child according the 1850 census Wm. H. Shipp married 1867 in Shenandoah Co. VA.

I do not know what happened to Elizabeth Shipp, but Anna I now believe was the living with Wm. H. Shipp 1900 Fauquier Co. VA census "Nansey K. Shipp born Nov 1848 age given as 54 across out with 51. I believe should read Nov 1842 age 58. Most likely died before 1910 census.

John Shipp & his wife Elizabeth Lewin had

1. Sarah Shipp b. 23 Sep 1825 Plumb Run, Hampshire Co. VA/WV m. 13 Apr 1854 at Jonathan Shipp's house in Rockingham Co. VA to Jacob H. Grimm, d. 7 Sep 1897. Arrington's book has a copy of her marriage record signed by said John Shipp as his daughter.

2. George W. Shipp b. 1833 VA m. Sarah A.........? can't seem to find them on later census.

3. Harriet Shipp b. 1835 VA, m. 2 Aug 1851 Harrisonburg, Rockingham Co. VA to Joseph Scothern.

4. Mary Shipp b. 1837 VA m. 3 Apr 1854 to George W. Grimm. Arrington's book as a signed note by her father said John Shipp for permittion for their marriage.

5. Louisa Shipp b. 23 Mar 1839 VA m. 22 Apr 1856 to Thomas H. Becks, d. 5 May 1902, buried Mill Creek Cemetery, Rockingham Co. VA. Arrington book has a copy of their marriage bond with note from her father John Shipp

6. Elizabeth Shipp b. 1840 VA the only record I have about her listed on 1850 Shenandoah Co. VA census.

7. Nansey K. "Anna" Shipp born Nov 1842, most likely the same woman living with her brother Wm. H. Shipp for 1900 Fauquier Co. VA, not listed with the family member 1910. I did not see her grave next to her father in Midland Cemetery, Fauquier Co. VA and not listed in compiled book by Baird. I do not think the death registry cover the years she might have died.

8. Wm. Harvey Shipp b. 27 Feb 1844 Columbia Furnace, Shenandoah Co. VA, m. 29 Aug 1867 Shenandoah Co. VA to Priscilla Ann Bridges, d. 5 Dec 1909 Lee District, Fauquier Co. VA, buried in Midland Cemetery, Fauquier Co. VA.
The "Family Story" was he was the baby of the family. His mother would have been 44 year of age at the time of his birth.

I will continue to look for more information about John & Elizabeth (Lewin) Shipp and their children.