robertmackayclan

It is from Godfrey's son Frederick Shipp census information which gave us the birth place of his father as being VA and his mother in VA.

However, the earliest known legal location for Godfrey Shipp would be 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD. Right on the line with PA. Another census record for his eldest son John Shipp (born 1801) states he was born in MD. He was my direct ancestor.

The 1800 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD only has two males: 1 male under 10 and male as 10-15, which makes me wonder if the census was marked correctly. Older female 26-44. I do not see films in L.D.S. library collection which would be helpful tryng to figure out this family group. Will have to check public library later in the week. Surname indexed as Shipps, first name Goofsey? on Ancestry.com 1800 census.

As of 1810 the family was living in Hampshire Co. VA/WV and I am finding records for him in Shenandoah Co. VA (lived at Stoney Creek) as of 1818, where he died around 1830 census. The will book by Amelia C. Gilbreath only abtracted the wills found in those county books. I will start pulling that information into book form when I finish with land deeds.

The book by Ralph D. Shipp of CO, made the incorrect statement (which is all over the net) that all Shipp Families in VA were offspring of Wm. Shipp of early Norfolk, VA. Another researcher has proven Joshua Shipp (Ralph D. ancestor) was his own emigate and not directly related to said Wm.

When he compiled his book, D.N.A. testing really was not done. Now this is not the case a complete study could show if these various Shipp men were indeed related.

I have legal evidence that Godfrey had a brother named Jacob Shipp who it would appear traveled with him. There was a Frederick Shipp could be his father or older brother, but I lack evidence they were related. Godfrey did name a son Frederick, could be evidence or not. I just need evidence where they lived before Frederick Co. MARYLAND.

I am beginning to doubt that my group of Shipp were related to the other Shipp Families of Norfolk into NC and other parts of the south & west.

Another researcher has suggested that my Ship/Shipp was Shipe, but I have not seen evidence of that thought. I know the Shipe Family came down from PA into Shenandoah Co. VA.

I am only pulling information on my direct line of Shipp.

After studying my Shipp problem with a librarian at L.D.S. (a German Researcher), given the oldest known location of Godfrey Shipp as being in Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD.

We started thinking over the issue of his movements, if it were likely he removed from Norfolk or Essex Co. VA into that part of MD.

After looking over PA arrivals of passengers, we found a listing of Palatines imported in the ship Molly, Capt Olive, sailed out of Rotterdam:

John Frederick "X" Shipp age 22, and he took an oath at court house in Philadelphia, PA on 17 Oct 1741.

I have other bits and pieces of information found in Frederick Co. MD which I need to put into focus. "We" think my Godfrey Shipps found on 1800 Frederick Co. MD was an orphan living with younger brother Jacob and their mother (name I do not have). There was a Godfrey Ship who died in Frederick Co. VA c1782, need to look at those papers.

As it stands now, all that work trying to connect my Shenandoah Co. VA Shipp Family with the Shipp Family of early Norfolk Co. VA, was in vain. They are not related at all.

My Shipp Family is not English but GERMAN.

After studying my Shipp problem with a librarian at L.D.S. (a German Researcher), given the oldest known location of Godfrey Shipp as being in Emmitsburg, Frederick Co. MD.

We started thinking over the issue of his movements, if it were likely he removed from Norfolk or Essex Co. VA into that part of MD.

After looking over PA arrivals of passengers, we found a listing of Palatines imported in the ship Molly, Capt Olive, sailed out of Rotterdam:

John Frederick "X" Shipp age 22, and he took an oath at court house in Philadelphia, PA on 17 Oct 1741.

I have other bits and pieces of information found in Frederick Co. MD which I need to put into focus. "We" think my Godfrey Shipps found on 1800 Frederick Co. MD was an orphan living with younger brother Jacob and their mother (name I do not have). There was a Godfrey Ship who died in Frederick Co. VA c1782, need to look at those papers.

As it stands now, all that work trying to connect my Shenandoah Co. VA Shipp Family with the Shipp Family of early Norfolk Co. VA, was in vain. They are not related at all.

My Shipp Family is not English but GERMAN.

Now that I know the earlier generations of my family, had it wrong about the family being English and now I know they were German.

I began to question-- why I could not find the marriage record for Godfrey's son John Shipp. I was looking in Frederick Co. MD.

Listed in the notes of my grandfather have these two entries:

"John Shipp to Elizabeth Lewis line #108 page 43 Aug 20 1818"

"Jacob Shipp to Eliza Hoffman 110 Jul 18,1819"

Either my grandfather or one of his uncle visited the court house in Shenandoah Co. VA and recorded the two entries.

If the actual registry really has the name as Ship, Shipp or Shipe, I will order the film later through public library.

The compiled book by John Vogt has the above two men's marriages as:

"Ship, Jacob to Elizabeth Coffman 19 Jan 1819, bondman Windel Coffman". I have found land deed division in Shenandoah Co. VA, named spelled with "C" not "H".

"Shipe, John to Elizabeth Lewin 17 Aug 1818, daughter of James & Mable"

Two problems now arise, is the said John Shipe really my John Shipp and was his wife member of Lewis (as we have been told) or LEWIN.

Furthermore, I was given the parentage of Elizabeth Lewis as Garland S. & Anna (McCauley) Lewis, by the branch of the family who descended from sister of my John. How others would get this so wrong, is beyond me. Where did they come up with Garland S. Lewis if the name really should be James Lewin and Mable for Anna McCauley.

In any case, the parentage of John's wife I will have start to look for them in Shenandoah Co. VA and not in Frederick Co. MD. According to 1810 & 1820 I have found men by the name of LEWIN but not Lewis.

According to my report person/persons have submitted the parentage of my Elizabeth Brown as James Brown & Jane Denniston. Nice thought-- but given the information about the couple I see no way they could be the parents of my Elizabeth Brown.

I have a good prime suspects as who they were and not above couple.

The report has the statement"Haplogroup J1c8 only recently discovered, less than a year ago, in 2009. To date, there are only 13 who have been identified as J1c8 and joined the haplogroup J project" They also stated that to go into this group MUST be tested at the highest level (67 markers), so there could already be persons in the study who have this grouping, but have not upgraded to 67 marker test.

The report goes on to say "Of the 13 people identified, only five are mapped, 2 in UK, 2 in Germany and 1 in Canada."

"I think it is probably safe to say, given the various data within the project and from your own testing that haplogroup J1c8 was probably born in Germany and then migrated either with the Celtic people or the later Anglo-Saxons to England." Gee, I think that is a safe statement.

Well I know of about 100 plus persons just as the descendants of said Elizabeth Brown, if they were tested (must take 67 marker test to qualify as J1c8) would show a totally different picture.

I hope to expand the areas of the US where Elizabeth's female line traveled. Two areas I am looking at Westmoreland Co. VA, Loudoun Co. VA and perhaps NJ area.

In any case, I am interested in any and all of my TN cousins to consider submitting a D.N.A. test. It's "embarrassing" being the only American in the group. My son sample should show up in a few weeks, so their will be just two of us.

Years ago I was given the marriage record of Frederick Shipp & Barbara Frey, location she did not have.

With Frederick Shipp born in PA or MD died before 1800 census in Frederick Co. Maryland. I am intereted in Frey family of MD or PA.

It would appear there are many men to check out.

Also a D.N.A. study sample I am interested in James Frey born 1793 in PA--Rlblb2.

Family seems to be also going back to Germany or Alsace.

It is beginning to look like the ancestry of John Shipp born 1801 in Frederick Co. Maryland and died c1889 in Shenandoah Co. VA, all his blood line were from Germany.