robertmackayclan

Posted: **11:55 AM - Aug 15, 2010**

Unfortunately, I did not have the chance to exchange information directly with the late Harold Jean Bolen of GA. And I would have asked some direct & hard questions.

Our common ancestors were Reeves Bolen & Durainey Carrington. He descended from his eldest son John W. Bolen and my great-grandmother Dessie G. Bolen from his youngest son Sion M. Bolen.

When I first started to collect information about my great-grandmother Dessie Green Bolen I ran into his material:that the Bolen of Henderson Co. TN were descendants of the Bolling of VA (descendants of Pocahontas). As another researcher told me "he so wanted to be related Pocahontas that he just made up material about the family in North Carolina down from VA." The "Professional Genealogist" who he had hired stopped supplying him material when he saw him twisting, changing, deleting etc....material which did not fit with what he wanted to believe.

There are a lot of other researches (mostly living in the South) who have also supplied materials to others trying to connect their Bowling, Bolen etc...to the Bolling family of VA. The Collection of Papers called "Phelps Works" you can order all on film through L.D.S. library.

Well we now have D.N.A test and the Bolling family of VA has a rather large project collecting samples. I do not know if any of my male Bolen have been tested, but I am sure they are not related to the group that H.J. Bolen has spread information. Most likely they came down from MD into Granville Co. NC.

His materials show up in local newspapers and into others personal libraries. He was going to publish his works, but died before it could be completed, called "A Family History 1476-1976"

I realize it is not good to "speak ill of the dead", but he wasted a lot of my time and money collecting information about the Bolling of VA. Why should I sit by and let others waste their time & money as well.

My cousin from TN send me some picture of the Bolen of Henderson Co. TN that belong to the descendants of John W. Bolen and some could have had "non-white" blood lines, but they would not have been from Pocahontas !!! Perhaps in the future Mitochondrial DNA test might shed light on this mytery.

There is no doubt in my mind that my ancestor:

Reeves Bolen was born in 1 Dec 1818 in Orange Co. NC m. 1838 in Henderson Co. TN, court house record destroy, to Durainey Carrington born 15 Sep 1820 Orange Co. NC. He died 1864 Henderon Co. TN. She died 1 Apr 1851, both are buried in Carrington Family Burial Ground. My distant cousin Sue Stewart spend her own monies & time to fix up the family grave yard. So we know where the bodies are buried!!!.

From census information in Henderson Co. TN matches the year of his birth in 1818 and he had a penny which he carried with him, because it had his birth year on it. So that is the fact his birth year was 1818 and the fact is he married Durainey Carrington.

It is know that Durainey Carrington parents were Sion Carrington & Jemima Cozart, they removed from Orange Co. NC to Henderson Co. TN, leaving their daughter's "sweet heart" in NC, said Reeves Bolen.

He as a young man followed the above family into NC, leaving his family in Orange Co. NC.

Now here is the problem, since Reeves Bolen was just a young man in NC, he owned no property nor was he listed on any census as head of household. I just have the word of my late cousin H.J. Bolen that his parents were John Bowling & Martha Mangum. And said H.J. Bolen recorded the names of his siblings from the daughter of said Reeves, but I just have his word.

Said H.J. Bolen did meet with the descendants of Willis Bowling, eldest son of John & Marth (Mangum) Bowling, they seem to agree they were cousins. But these two men were part of the farce trying to connect our Bolen with Pocohontas. So the issue of "trust" comes into the picture.

Now, if I could get one of the sons of Sion M. Bolen to be test, that test would at least tell me if my line fits the profile already submitted by two sons of John & Martha Bowling.

Now along comes the e-mail by Franklin Bolen, who has submitted a D.N.A. on file Bolling D.N.A. project.

He stated that:

1. John Bowling died 1814 Granville Co. VA. and one of his son named

2. Wm. Reeves born 1815, d. 1864 in Henderson Co. TN married to Durainey Carrington, buried in Carrington Family Graveyard in Henderson Co. TN.

Now is silly to think that there existed in the U.S two couples:

Reeves Bolen born 1818 m. Durainey Carrington died in Henderson Co. VA buried in Carrington Cemetery

and

Wm. Reeves Bolen born 1815 m. Durainey Carrington died in Henderson Co. VA buried in Carrington Cemetery.

So Franklin Bolen has the name wrong it is Reeves not Wm. Reeves Bolen and he was born in 1818 not in 1815. Now the problem becomes if he is right about John death date as 1814, said John could not be the father of my Reeves Bolen.

Since he was wrong about the name & birth year, I think he was also wrong about the death date of John Bowling. The John Bowling (father of Reeves) died c1839, his father was the one who died 1814.

Will be seeking out more documents.

Posted: **6:51 AM - Sep 15, 2010**

I have had for years bits and pieces of information dealing with the Hampton Family. I was aware that there were two different Hampton Families living in early Frederick Co. VA--English Group & Scottish Group (mine line).

After I found my Haplogroup I started poking around the Family Tree D.N.A. Project groups to see if I could find my Y markers for my various families. D.N.A. results did settle the "Family Tales" in connection with my Ball & Bolen families. I looked at the Hampton D.N.A. results to see if the two groups had supplied samples. I placed a posting on Gen Forum Hampton to see if descendants of my TN cousins had taken the test.

A woman named Mary Ann........?(does not use last name) tiped me off about the false information about Andrew Hampton on the net. There were two different Andrew Hampton (one was in Battle of Kings Mountain died in Rutherford Co. NC 1805) & Col. Andrew Hampton of Granville Co. NC my line.

Part of my interest in the family of John Hampton of Scotland & NJ., is that the movements of his descendants followed the same path as Robert Mackay Sr. These two families had business dealings in VA. I do not see that there was a connection with the two families in Scotland.

So the line I will be tracing through early Monmouth Co. NJ (know my line), Cecil Co. MD (looking for the second Andrew Hampton of Rutherford Co. NC). Their records filed in Frederick Co. VA I have compiled in book form.

1. John Hampton (Dodson stated son of John) born c1640 lived in Elphinstone, East Lothian, Scotland, d. 1702 will on file, his D.N.A profile on file with Family Tree D.N.A. He had four different woman as mother of his children, my line from wife Martha BROWN. He, wife and five children came to colonies in the ship "Exchange". I have order many Quaker Records in the above location did find Hampton information, but no information found for Mackay. The fact that other Scots coming into NJ from Scotland their names have been recorded. Really firms up my OPINION that our Robert Mackay came down into NJ from another colony and most likely born in this county, most likely MA. I need early NJ record more to find information on all said John Hampton's children. Of course, at the time I viewed Scottish Quaker Records, I had not found the land deed filed in Middlesex Co. NJ dated 1705 that Robert Mackay at that time was not a Quaker.

2. Noah Hampton b.c1692 in Freehold, Monmouth Co. NJ, d. 1774 Hampshire Co. VA/WV I have a copy of his will, married to Sarah....... while in NJ, name of wife in his will Alse.........? need to look at later land deeds for this location to see if I can find estate papers of his widow. His will named only one son Andrew. The maiden name of said Sarah might be found buried in records in NJ, or might not. His brother John was the father of Isabell, George & Thomas, said George's daughter married into our Sowers family.

3. Andrew Hampton b. c1712 Freehold, Monmouth Co. NJ, d. after 1767 Jefferson Co. GA, married Sarah..........?, first record I have dealing with him found in Fairfax Land Suit 1734 or 1735 purchased land on Bullskin Marsh Run from Jost Hite, sold his land filed in later Frederick Co. VA land deeds, then named as Andrew Hampton of Brunwick Co. VA. Sold that land removed to Granville Co. NC where numerous records can be found. He served as Col. in local militia 60 men in his group, listing found in Granville History three Bolling serviced with him. As I am told by others, the problem that now exist is that were is no direct record naming my Zachariah Hampton as son of said Andrew. However there exist records connected the known sons of said Andrew handling the affairs of said Zachariah's sons: John & Nolan(my line). I will have to look in Orange Co. NC & Granville Co. NC for more records. Found Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site by Vance Peterson has mixed together the land deeds of "my Andrew Hampton" as being those of Andrew Hampton who died in Rutherford Co. NC. Also various researchers have posted incorrect information about each man's children. Some of the uncounted for Hampton men turning up in NC could have been from another branch of John Hampton's sons, but instead people have tried to connect them with Andrew Hampton of Rutherford Co. NC.

4. Zachariah Hampton b. c1748 Orange Co. VA, d. 8 Sep 1781 Battle of Eutawville, SC m. Mary Knowland, we have from wills on her side of the family name of two sons: John & Nolan.

5. Nolan Hampton b. 1770 Orange Co. VA, 1849 Carroll Co. TN m. 30 Mar 1793 in Orange Co. NC to Winifred Cozart.

Above are the areas I will be working and I hope to learn more about the Hampton & Mackay families. It is not my goal to chase hundreds of Hampton around the US, I have a listing of 115 descendants of John Hampton of Scotland and those will be the only names I will be pulling information.

I have examined the marriage record of John Hampton & Martha Brown on L.D.S. film Shrewsbury Quaker Records the marriage took place 3rd day 1st month (Mar) 1686/7.

I am trying to figure out if the pedigree given in various computer banks are correct about her parentage.

I do think that Abraham Brown was her father born c1642 most likely in RI, not in England as reported, Martha was the daughter of Cattron who signed in the "family column" of the above record. Abraham married second to a Mary, other say her maiden name Potter.

I will be reading land deeds for Monmouth Co. NJ and hope to shed more light upon the family of the above Cattron. Now perhaps some of the other names in "Family Column" will lead the way.

In the computer banks they have the father of said Abraham as Nicholas Brown. That is true according to Stillwater books. The locations given in the computer banks I do not believe are correct. According to Stillwater he (Nicholas) was an "Englishman" removed to RI where he died. He might have had more than one wife, one known as Elizabeth, widow of George Parker. The computer banks have her maiden name as Leids. I do not know if that is correct or not. I hope to view RI film early next year, for I am looking for my Josiah Foster in that location.

Now if the parentage for Nicholas Brown is correct in the computer banks the line goes back to John Brown born 1312 in Stanford, LIncolnshire-- I do not know if I will have the time to check all their material. My guess would be it is not correct. I would need to find in RI a records which clearly stated the location said Nicholas lived in England. Have other's found that record, that's is the question. Most likely people are playing the game "pick a Brown" in the records in England.

It would be nice if "people" only send out over the net correct information but we know that is not the case.

My main focus will be trying to find the records for Nicholas to Abraham Brown and his two wives, the rest of it I will leave to others.

Posted: **2:04 PM - Sep 28, 2010**

I have also found the occupation of Noah Hampton when he lived in Monmouth Co. NJ give as Cordwainer. This could be why I can't find his name on land deed in Cecil Co. MD and then he removed down to VA had the funds to become a land owner.

Sometime the records exist for town tax list which will show a person being taxed on a lot with a shop.

Commonwealth of VA Reel 1 Orange Co. VA Land Deeds Book 2, 129-130 second deed 130-131, both filed by George Robinson sold land to Richard Bealton in Orange Co. VA dated 9 Oct 1737, three men witness the deed: Jonathan Seaman, Noah Hampton & M. Morgan, said Noah Hampton took an oath as witness to said two deeds. So as of 1737 I know that he was no longer a Quaker.

I have other films coming for early Orange Co. VA which have not arrived. Perhaps additional information with surface about my ancestor Noah Hampton.

Posted: **5:46 PM - Oct 07, 2010**

I have order additional reports about my J 1 c 8 results. If they give any interesting information I will pass it along. The two matches I received notice "being a match" have not been helpful.

This results, however, has settle any thought this female line contained African-American or Native American.

The following surnames I will be trying to tract through legal & public records: starting with my grandmother:

1. Olive Odillion KING born 29 Oct 1906 (born on mother's birth date) Yuma, Carroll Co. TN died 22 Jun 1982 Silver Spring, Montgomery Co. MD m. Roy Dennis Hopgood, she had one sister who could have passed along the same Mitochondrial markers. She was the daughter of:

2. Dessie Green BOLEN b. 29 Oct 1885 Bowling Green, Warren Co. KY, died 4 Nov 1967 Alton, Madison Co. KY married Joseph Hulon King, she had sisters who could have passed along the same D.N.A. markers. She was the daughter of:

I have a picture (me, my mother, O.O. King & D.G. Bolen) of the four generations of this direct line. I have personal knowledge of all the women in this direct line and offical records.

3. Amanda E. MELTON b. 25 Aug 1853 Henderson Co. TN, d. 30 Aug 1888 Yuma, Carroll Co. TN m. Sion Monroe Bolen, she was the only daughter of:
I have a picture of Amanda E. with my gr-grandmother as an infant.

4. Frances L. MORRIS b. 1824 Henderson Co. VA, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN married Cornelius Melton, she had a sister and they were the daughter of Elizabeth

5. Elizabeth BROWN b. 1780 in Orange Co. NC, d. after 1872 Henderson Co. VA, married Isaac Morris. For the 1870 Henderson Co. TN she was living with her daughter Frances L. (Morris) Melton and her granddaughter Amanda E. Melton. So my line is set for seven generations.

The records I have order and studied for Henderson Co. TN, I can't find a legal document naming the parents of said Elizabeth (Brown) Morris. If the records exist then I will have to find them in other counties in TN or in Orange Co. NC.

I am still looking for good documentation as to the children of Isaac Morris & said Elizabeth Brown.

I am aware others have posted information about my line on the "net" and a good amount of the information they do not give their sources.

My grandmother Olive Odillion King was the gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of the Rev. John KING one of three Methodist ministers send to America by John Wesley.

I have two published books dealing with the parentage & early life of John King and some of their information does not match.

The book published by "The Carroll Co. TN Historical Society", done by committee.

"Joel King b. on or about 1710. Well to do, prosperous member of Church of England. His youngest son John King who became first Methodist to preach in Baltimore,MD.

"John King born 1746 in Leicestershire, England, youngest son of Joel King. He studied at Oxford University and London Medical College where he obtained his Medical Degree. While in London he met John Wesley and was converted to Methodism and became a coworker with Wesley, Bishop Ashbury and Pillmore. John King set sail for America in 1769 at the age 23. In 1770 he started preaching in DE, MD, NJ & VA. He was first Methodist to preach in Baltimore, MD. He was one of original council of ten that composted first Methodist conference in America in 1773.

"In December he married Sallie (Sarah) Seawell from a prominent family of Butte Co. NC. They bought a home near Louisburn, Franklin Co. NC and then 1779 moved to Wake Co. NC 10 miles west of Raleigh. He took part in the first Methodist conference of NC. When Franklin Academy was chartered in 1787 he was first named on list of trustee. He died in Wake Co. NC 1795. He was survived by his wife and six children: Joel, John Wesley, Benj., Thomas, Wm. Fletcher & Elizabeth".

No sources are given for where they got the information.

Because I was going on the birth place of John in Leicestershire, I saw that a member of L.D.S. church placed a marriage record for Joel King & Rose Clark in St. John Baptist in Northampton, England. I did find the original record for this marriage L.D.S. fiche 6128581 on the 14th fiche of 26. Bride & groom stated of that parish. Since his county is next to Leicestershire, thought might be the parents of John. Now think this Joel was not the father of my John.

The second book by Ben Lee Seawell "The Genealogy of The Known Descendants of Col. Benj. Seawell & Lucy Hicks".

This book has a picture/painting of Rev. John King, St. George Methodist Episcopal Church of Philadelphia, PA and ink drawning of John preaching in Baltimore, MD.

This book states that John was born in Lancaster, England. Not near the other two locations. This book has some of the same information about his preaching in MD, NJ, VA & NC.

"Where he preached his first sermon from a blacksmith's block at the street corner", this book as a ink drawing of the act.

"He was present at the first Methodist Episcopal Conference ever held in NC on 20th Apr 1785 at the home of his brother-in-law Rev. Green Hill."

This book as well as other published books on Seawell family stated the family from Brunswick Co. VA, not NC.

I have copy of his will and inventory. He was a slave owner.

In short I have two different birth places for John King. I will have to find the actual parish before I can order fiche/film.

I think his wife's family was from Brunswick Co. VA and not NC. I have no idea where each two books got their information. That I will have to find for myself.

You can google "Rev. John King" most likely information will "pop up". Now if correct I have no idea.

I believe a male descend of Rev. John King is included in FamilytreeDNA study for King family.

Posted: **1:40 PM - Nov 04, 2010**

My great-grandmother had a book (only book I have that belonged to her) dealing with Mary Ball, mother of George Washington, because she was "told" by her family members we were related to that Ball Family.

Mike Ball of DNA Project, did response to my request for the Haplogroup for Col. Wm. Ball, ancestor of the said Mary Ball, it is I l.

I got real lucky that a distant Ball cousin of mine-- descendant of Osborn Ball, brother to my John Ball, father of John Washington Ball was also tested "is Rlblb2 or the shorthand notation R-M 269"

A million thanks out to that man !! Don't know his name.

He said that another profile fits the above but he did not additional information about the documented blood line.

It would be nice to have other closer relations tests, but this is a very good start.

I also found another interesting D.N.A site for Mangum Family. They have posted the results for a Mangum man whose marker shows The Duke Marker, for men living in Granville/Orange Co. NC. And they posted they did not WHY !!

I e-mail the web master, but my reponse was returned.

I think I know why the Mangum man is showing a Duke marker. My distant cousin Mary Carrington (daughter of John) was married to Arthur Mangum Jr. and while he was on "his death bed" had an affair with Wm. Duke living the next farm over. They had a son named Green A. Mangum born 1811 and he married but I have no record of the names of his children. Wm. Duke in his will acknowledge that he could have been his son. This is a matter of public record, his will filed in Orange Co. NC. I guess he really was !!!

In any case I will continue to pick away at this D.N.A test results (then I can get a hold of it) trying to apply it to the documentation which I have compiled.

I thought it was Family Tree DNA they were going to try to place the D.N.A of "famous persons" in their data bank. If that's is true that really would help to solve some of these family tales.

I wonder if they have the D.N.A. of President Zachary Taylor to compare to all those present day Taylor researchers who claim descend from him.

I do not.

I have send an e-mail to Family Tree asking the location on their web site where I can find the test results of various surname in their data base.

I have been informed that I made an mistake about Osborn Ball,he was not the brother of my John Ball, but belonged to a group living in NC.

Then I was informed by James Ball (claims descendant from the Ball Family of Middlesex Co. VA) submitted his DNA profile #188818 filed as a descendant of Wm. Ball of Essex Co. VA died 1695/6. He claims he was the father of Edward Ball of early Middlesex Co. VA. His Haplogroup same as the above Osborn Ball, but no match with the numbers.

He used as the source for the parentage of Edward Ball from the secondary source a book by Ronald Ames Hill, this book is on net through L.D.S. system.

After looking at this work, the author has supplied no original records supporting the parentage between Wm. to Edward Ball. "Recent research, however, suggests Edward is the son of Wm. Ball..."

I realize that people have submitted information to various computer banks sometimes using their best guess, but I did hope people would only submit their DNA sample under a name which they were sure was their ancestors. I guess I was wrong.

I will continue to hope that one of the brother's male descendants of my great-grandmother's Lena (Ball) Shipp will be interested enough in genealogy to submit a sample.

I plan to order land deeds of Culpeper Co. VA, so I can locate the farm of John Ball.

Posted: **6:16 PM - Nov 28, 2010**

Looking for my distant Ball cousins who might be interested in submitting a D.N.A. sample.

Years ago I found the grave marker of Booten French Ball with his parents and brother-in-law at C.S.A. cemetery in Manassas, VA.

Since, he was buried without a wife, I wrongly assumed he was single. However, I have found him on the later Federal Census in Pr.Wm.Co.VA. with wife Alma F. and children. It would appear they had two sons: Clifford D. Ball & Clay W. I did find the marriage record for Clifford D. Ball on the Pr.Wm.Co.VA Marriage Registry. Information found on this record "Clifford D.Ball age 22 years, born & living in Pr.Wm.Co.VA, parents Booten Ball & Alma F. Mohler, shipping clerk, married 22 Jun 1929 to Aileen H. Shifflet 19 years, born College Park, MD, living in Manassas, VA, parents David Shifflet & Ivan? Kane"

His brother Murray Lewis Ball, his marriage record in Pr.Wm.Co.VA, living in Fairfax Co. VA list his name as Murray E. Ball, parents John W. & Mary E. Ball married 23 Jan 1907 to Lillian Breen 22 years, parents John J. & Fannie Breen.

I can't seem to find them on the census. Both brothers of my great-grandmother Moslena/Lena (Ball) might have living male Ball descendants.

She had other brothers: Gideon (have not found a death record), John Jackson (have not found a death record), Miller (died @2 years) & Washington (have not found a death record).

As far as I can tell, no one else has the above information about these two men on the net.

Posted: **12:27 PM - Dec 04, 2010**

I found the family group for Murray L. Ball & his wife Lillian E. (Breen) living in Bladensburg, Co. VA for 1930 census: Murray 45, Lillie E. 45, Odie R. 18, Charles A. 11, Minnie R. 9.

According to "The Ball Family of Carter's Run" they had two other sons: Milford G. Ball born c1907. Their second son Lewis R. Ball & his wife Marjorie living next to his parents. He 20 years of age, she 17 years of age.

Also living in the same household: Peyton A. Edwards 50 (Uncle of Murry L. Ball) and Mary E. Ball 78 (mother of Murray).

Years ago I send for the death certificate of Mary Ella (Edwards) Ball stated she died 56th V St. NW Washington, DC, the information given by Mrs. C.A. Stretton (Carrie Shipp) grandaughter. Stated she had lived in that location for 10 years, she died 1934. So would appear to be a conflict with the information supplied on her death record.

According to Murry Ball marriage record he was born in Culpeper Co. VA and living in Fairfax Co. VA at the time of his marriag 23 Jan 1907 married in Pr.Wm.Co.VA to Lillian Breen. I can't seems to find him on the 1910 nor 1920 census.

Any case, he had male descendants.

Posted: **1:06 PM - Dec 10, 2010**

My great-grandmother had a book (only book I have that belonged to her) dealing with Mary Ball, mother of George Washington, because she was "told" by her family members we were related to that Ball Family.

Mike Ball of DNA Project, did response to my request for the Haplogroup for Col. Wm. Ball, ancestor of the said Mary Ball, it is I l.

I got real lucky that a distant Ball cousin of mine-- descendant of Osborn Ball, brother to my John Ball, father of John Washington Ball was also tested "is Rlblb2 or the shorthand notation R-M 269"

A million thanks out to that man !! Don't know his name.

He said that another profile fits the above but he did not additional information about the documented blood line.

It would be nice to have other closer relations tests, but this is a very good start.

I also found another interesting D.N.A site for Mangum Family. They have posted the results for a Mangum man whose marker shows The Duke Marker, for men living in Granville/Orange Co. NC. And they posted they did not WHY !!

I e-mail the web master, but my reponse was returned.

I think I know why the Mangum man is showing a Duke marker. My distant cousin Mary Carrington (daughter of John) was married to Arthur Mangum Jr. and while he was on "his death bed" had an affair with Wm. Duke living the next farm over. They had a son named Green A. Mangum born 1811 and he married but I have no record of the names of his children. Wm. Duke in his will acknowledge that he could have been his son. This is a matter of public record, his will filed in Orange Co. NC. I guess he really was !!!

In any case I will continue to pick away at this D.N.A test results (then I can get a hold of it) trying to apply it to the documentation which I have compiled.

I thought it was Family Tree DNA they were going to try to place the D.N.A of "famous persons" in their data bank. If that's is true that really would help to solve some of these family tales.

I wonder if they have the D.N.A. of President Zachary Taylor to compare to all those present day Taylor researchers who claim descend from him.

I do not.

I have send an e-mail to Family Tree asking the location on their web site where I can find the test results of various surname in their data base.

This was the statement found in the notes of my late grandfather Walter Eugene Shipp about his great-grandfather John Ball of Jeffersonton, Culpeper Co. VA. He lost all due to the Civil War.

I found on (my birthday 8th Dec) the land deed showing the purchase of his farm in the same location he died in Jeffersonton, VA. Book 14, page 306, dated 14 Sep 1859 Wm. B. Brawner & his wife Fanny A. and Frederick P. Brawner & his wife Sarah A. sold to John Ball for $7880 a tract containing 488a with all its appurtenances, situated in Culpeper Co. VA adjoining the lands of Thomas A. Keith, Jones Green & others. Lying on Rapphannaock Co. VA. I found two references to two roads Foxville Road & Sandy Ford Ford. Said two couples purchased it from the heirs of John M. Young then called "Greenfield". Sold to them in 1 Jan 1857.

Hope in the future to trace the tract back in time in Culpeper Co. VA land deed records.

I still need to find his farm in Rapphannock Co. VA. This county was form from Culpeper Co. VA 1833, so both records will be need.

In the end, his wife's family MCKAY had far more land, than his Ball Family had.

Now as to his "hundreds" of slaves.

Posted: **1:06 PM - Dec 10, 2010**

My great-grandmother had a book (only book I have that belonged to her) dealing with Mary Ball, mother of George Washington, because she was "told" by her family members we were related to that Ball Family.

Mike Ball of DNA Project, did response to my request for the Haplogroup for Col. Wm. Ball, ancestor of the said Mary Ball, it is I l.

I got real lucky that a distant Ball cousin of mine-- descendant of Osborn Ball, brother to my John Ball, father of John Washington Ball was also tested "is Rlblb2 or the shorthand notation R-M 269"

A million thanks out to that man !! Don't know his name.

He said that another profile fits the above but he did not additional information about the documented blood line.

It would be nice to have other closer relations tests, but this is a very good start.

I also found another interesting D.N.A site for Mangum Family. They have posted the results for a Mangum man whose marker shows The Duke Marker, for men living in Granville/Orange Co. NC. And they posted they did not WHY !!

I e-mail the web master, but my reponse was returned.

I think I know why the Mangum man is showing a Duke marker. My distant cousin Mary Carrington (daughter of John) was married to Arthur Mangum Jr. and while he was on "his death bed" had an affair with Wm. Duke living the next farm over. They had a son named Green A. Mangum born 1811 and he married but I have no record of the names of his children. Wm. Duke in his will acknowledge that he could have been his son. This is a matter of public record, his will filed in Orange Co. NC. I guess he really was !!!

In any case I will continue to pick away at this D.N.A test results (then I can get a hold of it) trying to apply it to the documentation which I have compiled.

I thought it was Family Tree DNA they were going to try to place the D.N.A of "famous persons" in their data bank. If that's is true that really would help to solve some of these family tales.

I wonder if they have the D.N.A. of President Zachary Taylor to compare to all those present day Taylor researchers who claim descend from him.

I do not.

I have send an e-mail to Family Tree asking the location on their web site where I can find the test results of various surname in their data base.

This was the statement found in the notes of my late grandfather Walter Eugene Shipp about his great-grandfather John Ball of Jeffersonton, Culpeper Co. VA. He lost all due to the Civil War.

I found on (my birthday 8th Dec) the land deed showing the purchase of his farm in the same location he died in Jeffersonton, VA. Book 14, page 306, dated 14 Sep 1859 Wm. B. Brawner & his wife Fanny A. and Frederick P. Brawner & his wife Sarah A. sold to John Ball for $7880 a tract containing 488a with all its appurtenances, situated in Culpeper Co. VA adjoining the lands of Thomas A. Keith, Jones Green & others. Lying on Rapphannaock Co. VA. I found two references to two roads Foxville Road & Sandy Ford Ford. Said two couples purchased it from the heirs of John M. Young then called "Greenfield". Sold to them in 1 Jan 1857.

Hope in the future to trace the tract back in time in Culpeper Co. VA land deed records.

I still need to find his farm in Rapphannock Co. VA. This county was form from Culpeper Co. VA 1833, so both records will be need.

In the end, his wife's family MCKAY had far more land, than his Ball Family had.

Now as to his "hundreds" of slaves.

Posted: **1:55 PM - Dec 10, 2010**

I was surprized then years ago I viewed the 1850 & 1860 Slave Schedule for John Ball. He was listed in 1850 Rapphannock (13 slaves) and 1860 Culpeper Co. VA (12 slaves). So obviously I was given incorret information about his land holdings and slave ownership.

I have pulled years ago some of the names of John Ball's slaves from birth & death books from Rapphannock & Culpeper Co. VA. No mention about this part of "The Family History" found in the family records.

My real break came from Culpeper Co. VA Land Deed Book 14, 495 dated 28 Jan 1862, John Ball used as collateral his slaves: Cumberland, Levi, Armstead, Charles, Monday, Mary & her two children (not named). As security to cover his debt for purchase of his 488a.

This record did not say he used ALL his slaves as security, just the ones named above. It could be he did not use all of them, or four of his slaves found on the 1860 Schedule died or were sold by 1862. Being make up of three missing females & one missing male.

From death registry for Rapphannock Co. VA, the 50 years female black listed for 1850 listing does not appear on 1860, believe was his slave Lydia died 1858 65 years of age.

I can't account for his slave Benj. died 1858 age 60 years, mother Mary.

These two slaves if would appear were the oldest of the group.

There was also a slave Martina born Mar 1853 on Rapphannock Birth Registry.

Only slave Mary can I place on 1850, 1860 listing of slaves and mentioned in the land deed. Her children not named I think she could be the 40 year female black with 6 years male mulatto & 4 year male black listed together on the 1860 Slave Schedule.

Gathered from the birth & death registries I know he had five woman of child bearing age. The year 1858 bad year in the slave community of John Ball, for six slaves died. So the same could have happened after 1860 before 1862.

1. Mary alive 1861 mentioned in land deed with two children, she had other children one mentioned-- female slave of John Ball died 1858

2. Kitty could have been alive 1860 listing not mentioned in land deed had a son French died Feb 1858

3. Emily could have been alive 1860 listing not mentioned in land deed had two children: Jane died 1858 & Judith died 1858

4. Betty could have been alive 1860 listed not mentioned in land deed had Henry who died 1858 one year 6 months

5. Amanda could have been alive 1860 listed not mentioned in land deed had Lewis who died 1858 one year 6 months of age

I will be looking for the when & where said John Ball came to possess the above slaves. If I can find the rocords which gave the ages of the slaves that would be very helpful. I do not think his father David Ball, devised any to him. I know that he sued his brother-in-law Daniel F. Pilcher , in right of his second wife Athaline Pilcher, for her share of her father Daniel Pilcher of Fauquier Co. VA slaves. Or his first wife was Nancy Carver of Fauquier Co. VA might have brought slaves into the slave community. Or he could have just purchased slaves over the years.

In any case, he was not a great slave owner as recorded in the "notes" of my grandfather. Some of our the McKay families owned greater numbers of slaves than John Ball. The family in my grandfather's tree that were really wealthly were the Richards. But he knew nothing about them.

robertmackayclan

My Mitochondrial Test