robertmackayclan

No, this is the first I've heard about this. I click on the Valentine Hollingsworth page every now and then and look at the DNA study but I didn't see that last time I looked.

L.D.S. 928122 is a collection of abtractions of land deeds in NC for surname Hampton. One entry

"18/679 John Hampton gets from Ephraim Hampton, his uncle, 29 acres on Muddy Creek, north of the Yadkin River for the good will and natural affection. I have for him, proved in court as a gift in Feb 1803. Witnesses: Joseph Clarke and Montford Dyarnett"

Since we know that said Ephraim Hampton was the son of Andrew Hampton of Granville Co. NC through various land deeds filed in Granville Co. NC.

Since we know from other records that Zachariah was the father of two sons: said John & Nolan Hampton.

This record gives us the evidence that Andrew Hampton of Granville Co. VA was also the father of said Zachariah Hampton.

It could be that there were two different John Hampton, the one I had hope I found a good record John son of my Zachariah Hampton and his brother John might have had a son named John as well.

Which means I am back to square one about finding good record that my Zachariah Hampton was the son of Andrew Hampton.

Will continue to look at additional records.

I do hope present & future Mckay researchers realize how luck they are to have family groups that have been working on in the past by so many people who have pay attention to detail.

On the other hand--Hampton Family History: John Hampton of Scotland and NJ, generation older than our Robert Mackay, Hampton researchers know where he lived in Scotland, the name of the ship "Exchange" he arrived, do have a good listing of his children and wives, have his will, but past researchers have not been able to get a good documented list on his GRANDCHILDREN. And all born in the same location Monmouth Co. NJ, the ones I am interested in removed into Cecil Co. MD then down to VA or NC.

This family is a very very tiny group of people compared against all the other Hampton living in US. They should start by looking at the book by Virginia G. Meynard "The Venturers", or go to any public library the records dealing with the surname Hampton Surname most likely connected with this group of "English Hampton". They removed to Frederick Co. VA, down into the NC, SC all part of the south, from VA into KY, TN, AL, AR, LA & TX.

Not having a good list of his John Hampton Sr.'s grandchildren has led to bad connections of his family members in VA and NC. They had combined "our" family members with the entirely different Hampton family living in Frederick Co. VA as one family and merged two different Andrew Hampton living in NC as one person. These being the Andrew Hampton of Rutherford Co. NC and Andrew Hampton of Granville Co. NC, each having various listing of their children, which means people do not have the documentation for either man.

All could have been avoided if they had started with the second generation of Hampton and worked their way down to the next generation.

The mis-leading information found on the inter-net and family histories is appalling. All will never be edited or deleted and will be picked up by future researchers wasting their time and money.

Trying to figure out if some of the untraced Hampton living in areas of NC are members of the family of John Hampton of Scotland & NJ. His sons:

1. John Hampton died in Frederick Co. VA had sons George & Thomas

2. David Hampton died in NJ. had sons: George & David, both married in Cecil Co. MD, need to find if and when they moved south. One family history stated that said David removed to NC.

3. Andrew Hampton died in Cecil Co. MD 1725 need evidence of issue.

4. Jonathan Hampton died in NJ. at the time of his death stated he had underage children, need their names

5. Noah Hampton died in Hampshire Co. VA/WV had one son Andrew

6. Joseph Hampton died in Wrighttown, PA, had two sons that survived him: John & Benj., it would appear they remained in PA area.

I think I have film for Monmouth Co. NJ & Cecil Co. MD already at L.D.S. center, just a matter of finding the time to read them.

In Cecil Co. MD I am still looking for the maiden name of Margaret who married our Robert Mackay Sr.

L.D.S. 0013879 has Guardinship Bonds 1674-1797 one entry I made back 9/12/06 bond posted for the benefit of

Andrew Hampton 4 May 1725 bond posted by Gideon Pearce, Henry Henderson & Richard Whitton.

Who was this Andrew Hampton living in Cecil Co. MD underage as of 1725? The court is appointing the three men to handle his estate until he reaches legal age.

I am aware that present day Hampton researcher, will say Andrew Hampton Sr. of NJ/Cecil Co. MD had no issue. They, however, it would appear have not read records in Cecil Co. MD. They just pass around the same information quoting each other as a SOURCE.

If this is the case that Andrew Sr. had no issue--who could this Andrew Hampton underage in 1725 be other than the son of Andrew Sr.

Lots of film to order in Cecil Co. MD.

I have order additional reports about my J 1 c 8 results. If they give any interesting information I will pass it along. The two matches I received notice "being a match" have not been helpful.

This results, however, has settle any thought this female line contained African-American or Native American.

The following surnames I will be trying to tract through legal & public records: starting with my grandmother:

1. Olive Odillion KING born 29 Oct 1906 (born on mother's birth date) Yuma, Carroll Co. TN died 22 Jun 1982 Silver Spring, Montgomery Co. MD m. Roy Dennis Hopgood, she had one sister who could have passed along the same Mitochondrial markers. She was the daughter of:

2. Dessie Green BOLEN b. 29 Oct 1885 Bowling Green, Warren Co. KY, died 4 Nov 1967 Alton, Madison Co. KY married Joseph Hulon King, she had sisters who could have passed along the same D.N.A. markers. She was the daughter of:

I have a picture (me, my mother, O.O. King & D.G. Bolen) of the four generations of this direct line. I have personal knowledge of all the women in this direct line and offical records.

3. Amanda E. MELTON b. 25 Aug 1853 Henderson Co. TN, d. 30 Aug 1888 Yuma, Carroll Co. TN m. Sion Monroe Bolen, she was the only daughter of:
I have a picture of Amanda E. with my gr-grandmother as an infant.

4. Frances L. MORRIS b. 1824 Henderson Co. VA, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN married Cornelius Melton, she had a sister and they were the daughter of Elizabeth

5. Elizabeth BROWN b. 1780 in Orange Co. NC, d. after 1872 Henderson Co. VA, married Isaac Morris. For the 1870 Henderson Co. TN she was living with her daughter Frances L. (Morris) Melton and her granddaughter Amanda E. Melton. So my line is set for seven generations.

The records I have order and studied for Henderson Co. TN, I can't find a legal document naming the parents of said Elizabeth (Brown) Morris. If the records exist then I will have to find them in other counties in TN or in Orange Co. NC.

I am still looking for good documentation as to the children of Isaac Morris & said Elizabeth Brown.

I am aware others have posted information about my line on the "net" and a good amount of the information they do not give their sources.

I have received through e-mail my D.N.A. report 96 page, I guess if persons who share this Haplogroup would want a copy I can just forward it to you.

My oldest known ancestor was Elizabeth Brown born 1780 Orange Co. NC died c1872 Henderson Co. TN.

Contains nice color picture, I have really not read it.

According to my report person/persons have submitted the parentage of my Elizabeth Brown as James Brown & Jane Denniston. Nice thought-- but given the information about the couple I see no way they could be the parents of my Elizabeth Brown.

I have a good prime suspects as who they were and not above couple.

The report has the statement"Haplogroup J1c8 only recently discovered, less than a year ago, in 2009. To date, there are only 13 who have been identified as J1c8 and joined the haplogroup J project" They also stated that to go into this group MUST be tested at the highest level (67 markers), so there could already be persons in the study who have this grouping, but have not upgraded to 67 marker test.

The report goes on to say "Of the 13 people identified, only five are mapped, 2 in UK, 2 in Germany and 1 in Canada."

"I think it is probably safe to say, given the various data within the project and from your own testing that haplogroup J1c8 was probably born in Germany and then migrated either with the Celtic people or the later Anglo-Saxons to England." Gee, I think that is a safe statement.

Well I know of about 100 plus persons just as the descendants of said Elizabeth Brown, if they were tested (must take 67 marker test to qualify as J1c8) would show a totally different picture.

I hope to expand the areas of the US where Elizabeth's female line traveled. Two areas I am looking at Westmoreland Co. VA, Loudoun Co. VA and perhaps NJ area.

In any case, I am interested in any and all of my TN cousins to consider submitting a D.N.A. test. It's "embarrassing" being the only American in the group. My son sample should show up in a few weeks, so their will be just two of us.

Trying to figure out if some of the untraced Hampton living in areas of NC are members of the family of John Hampton of Scotland & NJ. His sons:

1. John Hampton died in Frederick Co. VA had sons George & Thomas

2. David Hampton died in NJ. had sons: George & David, both married in Cecil Co. MD, need to find if and when they moved south. One family history stated that said David removed to NC.

3. Andrew Hampton died in Cecil Co. MD 1725 need evidence of issue.

4. Jonathan Hampton died in NJ. at the time of his death stated he had underage children, need their names

5. Noah Hampton died in Hampshire Co. VA/WV had one son Andrew

6. Joseph Hampton died in Wrighttown, PA, had two sons that survived him: John & Benj., it would appear they remained in PA area.

I think I have film for Monmouth Co. NJ & Cecil Co. MD already at L.D.S. center, just a matter of finding the time to read them.

In Cecil Co. MD I am still looking for the maiden name of Margaret who married our Robert Mackay Sr.

In the past I have viewed land deeds of Cecil Co. MD and David Hampton Jr. seemed to buy & sell land. I have ordered Book 8 to see in 1758 he sold his lands in Cecil Co. MD and I want to see if the records give the location where he removed. I suspect he & his son? will turn up in NC, either in Anson Co. NC or Granville Co. NC.

George the other son had no land deeds. Found in Monmouth Co. NJ land deed Book H, p. 61 16 Dec 1831 he is selling his lands devised to him by his father's David Hampton Sr. will. He is listed as being a Cordwainer living in Cecil Co. MD. His marriage on 8 Nov 1733 to Mary Hooten filed with early Anglican Church Records of Cecil Co. MD. I have ordered additional films which said to contain, birth, marriage & deaths for this particular church.

If these records contain the names of any of their children, particularity sons, might explain some of the Hampton living down in NC that researchers in the past have assigned to Andrew Hampton of Granville Co. NC.

Trying to figure out if some of the untraced Hampton living in areas of NC are members of the family of John Hampton of Scotland & NJ. His sons:

1. John Hampton died in Frederick Co. VA had sons George & Thomas

2. David Hampton died in NJ. had sons: George & David, both married in Cecil Co. MD, need to find if and when they moved south. One family history stated that said David removed to NC.

3. Andrew Hampton died in Cecil Co. MD 1725 need evidence of issue.

4. Jonathan Hampton died in NJ. at the time of his death stated he had underage children, need their names

5. Noah Hampton died in Hampshire Co. VA/WV had one son Andrew

6. Joseph Hampton died in Wrighttown, PA, had two sons that survived him: John & Benj., it would appear they remained in PA area.

I think I have film for Monmouth Co. NJ & Cecil Co. MD already at L.D.S. center, just a matter of finding the time to read them.

In Cecil Co. MD I am still looking for the maiden name of Margaret who married our Robert Mackay Sr.

L.D.S. 13879 film dealing with guardianship bonds one entry:

Andrew Hampton 4 May 1725 bondman Gideon Pearce, Henry Henderson & Richard Whitton.

In the past I was told by other researchers that Andrew Hampton Sr. who died in 1725 in Cecil Co. MD had a son named Andrew Jr. The above legal document would appear to support the original postion he had a son. Present researchers want to maintain since his widow refused settlement of his estate, some how that means they had no issue.

It might be, I do hope, said Andrew & his wife Susannah were also members of Anglican Church of Cecil Co. MD and those records it would appear are in existence. I do not see "our" Hampton at his location or this time period remained Quakers.

I believe the records will show in the future that this orphan Andrew Hampton was the same man who removed down to Anson Co. NC then over to Rutherford Co. NC.

Trying to figure out if some of the untraced Hampton living in areas of NC are members of the family of John Hampton of Scotland & NJ. His sons:

1. John Hampton died in Frederick Co. VA had sons George & Thomas

2. David Hampton died in NJ. had sons: George & David, both married in Cecil Co. MD, need to find if and when they moved south. One family history stated that said David removed to NC.

3. Andrew Hampton died in Cecil Co. MD 1725 need evidence of issue.

4. Jonathan Hampton died in NJ. at the time of his death stated he had underage children, need their names

5. Noah Hampton died in Hampshire Co. VA/WV had one son Andrew

6. Joseph Hampton died in Wrighttown, PA, had two sons that survived him: John & Benj., it would appear they remained in PA area.

I think I have film for Monmouth Co. NJ & Cecil Co. MD already at L.D.S. center, just a matter of finding the time to read them.

In Cecil Co. MD I am still looking for the maiden name of Margaret who married our Robert Mackay Sr.

I have also found the occupation of Noah Hampton when he lived in Monmouth Co. NJ give as Cordwainer. This could be why I can't find his name on land deed in Cecil Co. MD and then he removed down to VA had the funds to become a land owner.

Sometime the records exist for town tax list which will show a person being taxed on a lot with a shop.

In the past I have viewed land deeds of Cecil Co. MD and David Hampton Jr. seemed to buy & sell land. I have ordered Book 8 to see in 1758 he sold his lands in Cecil Co. MD and I want to see if the records give the location where he removed. I suspect he & his son? will turn up in NC, either in Anson Co. NC or Granville Co. NC.

George the other son had no land deeds. Found in Monmouth Co. NJ land deed Book H, p. 61 16 Dec 1831 he is selling his lands devised to him by his father's David Hampton Sr. will. He is listed as being a Cordwainer living in Cecil Co. MD. His marriage on 8 Nov 1733 to Mary Hooten filed with early Anglican Church Records of Cecil Co. MD. I have ordered additional films which said to contain, birth, marriage & deaths for this particular church.

If these records contain the names of any of their children, particularity sons, might explain some of the Hampton living down in NC that researchers in the past have assigned to Andrew Hampton of Granville Co. NC.

Google "Early Anglican Marriage of Cecil Co. MD" the book by Henry C. Pedin will show the marriage of George Hampton.

There's a section of the Valentine Hollingsworth Society website devoted towards the DNA study of descendants who have shared the Y-DNA info. Here's a link to that page:

http://dvhss.org/dna.htm

Yes, it would be interesting to know if similar studies were done on other Quaker families. Also, to update you on the Robert Mackay Sr. Y-DNA profile we are also in Haplogroup R1b1b2*. The asterisk means it hasn't been actually tested but data from other sources indicate this is our group as well.

This particular group is said to be common in Western Europe from the British Isles on down to Spain.

This comprised the areas settled by Celtic tribes and their predecessors in Britain, Ireland, Gaul & Iberia. The people doing the testing hesitate to call it the 'Celtic' haplogroup since 'Celtic' is a cultural term and not necessarily a racial one. But nonetheless the people in this part of Europe have been here for a long time and we descend from them.

This is very odd, I just checked the Morris Family Tree D.N.A. project for Morris listing of test results. I saw my distant cousin James G. Morris listing he match not with other Morris but with Isaac HOLLINGSWORTH I 1

Our Morris lived in Orange Co. NC to Henderson Co. TN.


Wonder who he was ?