robertmackayclan

If I hadn't mentioned it before I apologise. I did receive the Smith info. but haven't incorporated it into the website yet. Eventually that will happen. Right now been copying photos from the Floyd McKay branch for a cousin in that line. Then I want to get back to working on the Quaker Meetings in SW Ohio. After that I should be back on the 'Maverick's Corner' families again where I'll add the Smith data.

Yeah, I go back through my own families and if the data that makes an Indian connection is there I will find it. I do not go out of my way to try and 'prove' our families are Indian. That proof (yes or no) will come in it's own time.

(P.S. I also don't believe that they descend from only one Indian tribe. Like our European ancestors you have different peoples coming together for a variety of reasons and intermarriage between all of them will definitely happen. From the McKay side how many nationalities can we trace ancestry to? We have German, French, English, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch, Irish to name some. Same thing likely true when researching Eastern American Indian ancestry.

You mention a cousin in Floyd McKay's line, is he a male McKay cousin who is willing to be tested?

I still have my doubts that Floyd McKay was a descendant of Robert Mackay Sr. His wife was a descendant of Robert Mackay Sr. and "our" cousin, it could be people just assumed he was related to his wife's family.

I have order additional reports about my J 1 c 8 results. If they give any interesting information I will pass it along. The two matches I received notice "being a match" have not been helpful.

This results, however, has settle any thought this female line contained African-American or Native American.

The following surnames I will be trying to tract through legal & public records: starting with my grandmother:

1. Olive Odillion KING born 29 Oct 1906 (born on mother's birth date) Yuma, Carroll Co. TN died 22 Jun 1982 Silver Spring, Montgomery Co. MD m. Roy Dennis Hopgood, she had one sister who could have passed along the same Mitochondrial markers. She was the daughter of:

2. Dessie Green BOLEN b. 29 Oct 1885 Bowling Green, Warren Co. KY, died 4 Nov 1967 Alton, Madison Co. KY married Joseph Hulon King, she had sisters who could have passed along the same D.N.A. markers. She was the daughter of:

I have a picture (me, my mother, O.O. King & D.G. Bolen) of the four generations of this direct line. I have personal knowledge of all the women in this direct line and offical records.

3. Amanda E. MELTON b. 25 Aug 1853 Henderson Co. TN, d. 30 Aug 1888 Yuma, Carroll Co. TN m. Sion Monroe Bolen, she was the only daughter of:
I have a picture of Amanda E. with my gr-grandmother as an infant.

4. Frances L. MORRIS b. 1824 Henderson Co. VA, d. 13 Aug 1878 Henderson Co. TN married Cornelius Melton, she had a sister and they were the daughter of Elizabeth

5. Elizabeth BROWN b. 1780 in Orange Co. NC, d. after 1872 Henderson Co. VA, married Isaac Morris. For the 1870 Henderson Co. TN she was living with her daughter Frances L. (Morris) Melton and her granddaughter Amanda E. Melton. So my line is set for seven generations.

The records I have order and studied for Henderson Co. TN, I can't find a legal document naming the parents of said Elizabeth (Brown) Morris. If the records exist then I will have to find them in other counties in TN or in Orange Co. NC.

I am still looking for good documentation as to the children of Isaac Morris & said Elizabeth Brown.

I am aware others have posted information about my line on the "net" and a good amount of the information they do not give their sources.

My great-grandmother had a book (only book I have that belonged to her) dealing with Mary Ball, mother of George Washington, because she was "told" by her family members we were related to that Ball Family.

Mike Ball of DNA Project, did response to my request for the Haplogroup for Col. Wm. Ball, ancestor of the said Mary Ball, it is I l.

I got real lucky that a distant Ball cousin of mine-- descendant of Osborn Ball, brother to my John Ball, father of John Washington Ball was also tested "is Rlblb2 or the shorthand notation R-M 269"

A million thanks out to that man !! Don't know his name.

He said that another profile fits the above but he did not additional information about the documented blood line.

It would be nice to have other closer relations tests, but this is a very good start.

I also found another interesting D.N.A site for Mangum Family. They have posted the results for a Mangum man whose marker shows The Duke Marker, for men living in Granville/Orange Co. NC. And they posted they did not WHY !!

I e-mail the web master, but my reponse was returned.

I think I know why the Mangum man is showing a Duke marker. My distant cousin Mary Carrington (daughter of John) was married to Arthur Mangum Jr. and while he was on "his death bed" had an affair with Wm. Duke living the next farm over. They had a son named Green A. Mangum born 1811 and he married but I have no record of the names of his children. Wm. Duke in his will acknowledge that he could have been his son. This is a matter of public record, his will filed in Orange Co. NC. I guess he really was !!!

In any case I will continue to pick away at this D.N.A test results (then I can get a hold of it) trying to apply it to the documentation which I have compiled.

I thought it was Family Tree DNA they were going to try to place the D.N.A of "famous persons" in their data bank. If that's is true that really would help to solve some of these family tales.

I wonder if they have the D.N.A. of President Zachary Taylor to compare to all those present day Taylor researchers who claim descend from him.

I do not.

I have send an e-mail to Family Tree asking the location on their web site where I can find the test results of various surname in their data base.

I just google President Z. Taylor and one of the items

Wikipedia List of Hapolgroups of Famous People

Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln Wm. McKinley & Woodrow Wilson all had R1b1c

Prince Philip of Britain is "H"

From what I rather from some of postings on line about Taylor DNA Project they stated they were not sure if D.N.A. President Zachary Taylor exist. So it would appear we have a mis-match of information.

The sample of my Taylor Family is rather small, so I would have to be very lucky to get a hit.

Since I found out my Taylor line in 1988 I did not grow up with any Family Tales. Most Taylor researchers doing research in VA think they are related to President Zachariah Taylor & John Madison.

I found the maiden name for Samuel A. Rudd's wife living in NE at the local L.D.S. library, before that time no one in my mother's family had any idea as to her Family Name. Since that time I found the records to take her male line back to a Taylor in SC who I think descends from the Taylors of Barbados to SC.

SC--The first colony was established in The Ashley River in the southeastern part of the state in 1671. The Settlers were a group of English people direct from the Old World and another group, the members of which had been living on the Barbados Islands. They called their settlement Charles Town.


1. Wm. Taylor b. c1727 SC, d. Wolf Creek, Logan Co. KY, had at least four sons

2. Chapman Taylor b. c1748 SC, m. Julia Ann, d. 1823 AL. He was with SC Militia (Rebel Side) during American Revolutionary War

3. Joshua Taylor b. 1791 GA, m. Mary E. Cooksey, d. 23 Aug 1850 Union Co. KY

4. Aaron Taylor b. 1813 Russellville, Logan Co. KY m. Nancy Gist, d. 1857 Morganfield, Union Co. KY. Gist Family can count themselves among The First Families of TN. At least the name is on a monument. Number of her male relations fought in the American Revoluntary War. Another one of her relations (half Cherokee) make up The Cherokee Alphabet.

5. Mary Ann Taylor b. 1838 m. Samuel A. Rudd, d. 1926 Morganfield, Union Co. KY, they were my gr-gr-grandparents.

There is absolutely no reason to think any of my above Taylor Family never lived in VA. They lived in SC, GA to KY. Chapman removed with his son and died in AL.

What I am looking for males who belong to this family to be tested. Since R1b1c is a rather common Haplogroup might need a test above the 12 marker test. I hope for another letter, I have enough "R" in my family tree lately.

Thank you for your time.

You mention a cousin in Floyd McKay's line, is he a male McKay cousin who is willing to be tested?

I still have my doubts that Floyd McKay was a descendant of Robert Mackay Sr. His wife was a descendant of Robert Mackay Sr. and "our" cousin, it could be people just assumed he was related to his wife's family.

I could check and see if she has any nearer relatives with the McKay surname and if it's possible one of them might be willing to get tested. Could confirm your suspicions about Floyd McKay at least.

If I can review the data base in Family Tree DNA for all surnames: first I would see if male McKay who document their line back to MARYLAND, what is their Haplogroup?. I suspect would not match "our" Robert Mackay Sr. Non-matches are just as important as matches.

Just think of all the time people wasting trying to find a link between each other with the same surname. D.N.A. Test (cheaper way to go) could tell them right away not to waste their time and money or there might be a relationship.

I would have to think about your statement about what looking at tests the females would yield me. A Y marker test on the males of Floyd McKay would settle the question.

I would love to see our IN cousins to step up and submit their tests. A lot of the information I have about those cousins was given to the late Hunter Branson McKay and he never questioned what people gave to him or questioned their documentation.

I have been Google various surnames in my personal chart to see if D.N.A. results are posted. All in connectin with Y marker and I have really not seen people studying Mitochondrial D.N.A.

The Bolling Family Association very nice site and there are Bolen whose results show "E" (African-American Marker, "L" for females) and I wonder who they might be. I really would love to see the two sons of my Reeves Bolen to be tested, to see if they matched each other and if they matched the Bolen decendants of John Bowling & Martha Mangum. I am assuming the brothers of my Reeves Bolen were tested.

D.N.A. as totally settled the question of my Ball ancestors as NOT being related to Col. Wm. Ball.

D.N.A. has given me the Haplogroup of President Z. Taylor, now I just have to hope a distant member of my Taylor family submit his test.

The Mangum site I am going to have to study closer to see if they have clearly found the Y Marker for Joseph Mangum, my ancestor.

Found the Gist Y Marker for my ancestor of Christopher Gist of early Baltimore, MD.

There is a Brown D.N.A. Site, but I have not found the time to study it. I have four different Brown Families.

I have looking on line for our Sowers & Kerfoot families, but I have not found any good sites. If you hear anything about these families I would like to know about them.

As I cumulate my various Haplogroups, post the results on my Charts, I can start to narrow down the possiblies of Native American (was only in connection with Bolen Family, so that's settled) or African-American (never spoke of) in my family groups.

If Family Tree D.N.A. would open their records to me I am sure I could find the Haplogroups for all our Quaker ancestors. Send them a e-mail on Friday, just waiting for their answer.

1. BALL--R1b1b2--Non Match with Col. Wm. Ball--useful--Family Tree not useful
Totally settled a "Family Tale" as being false.

2. BOLEN--R1b1--Non Match with Robert Bolling--useful--Family Tree not useful
Totally settled a "Family Tale" as being false.

3. BROWN--J 1 c 8--I supplied the information

4. GIST--R 1b1b2--found on another site, not Family Tree D.N.A.

5. MCKAY--R1b1--supplied by Michael L. McKay test results, But what we need is a grouping of the various test results like found on The Bolling Family Association, all the different men living in different or the same areas. Who does not match just as important as matches.

6. MORRIS--I 1-- supplied by Reed Morris, but need to see the results of men living in Orange Co. NC who matches or non-matches.
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7. BRANSON--I have found a site, but their data is confusing, think "R" for Thomas Branson

8. MANGUM--I have to check their results, could yield my letter. Their site had a question why Mangum Man has Duke Marker ? Well if they had done their Library Work they would know why--Adultery--Stated in public record the will of Wm. Duke of Orange Co. NC.

I should be able find in the computer bank of Family Tree hundreds of my other Haplogroups. And settle the question if any of my lines contain any letter other than "European".

I wish I had a nickle for every time I heard the phrase "Genealogy is Sharing". OK it is time to "Share" FAMILYTREEDNA. Put the information into the hands of real researchers who know how to use it.

If I can review the data base in Family Tree DNA for all surnames: first I would see if male McKay who document their line back to MARYLAND, what is their Haplogroup?. I suspect would not match "our" Robert Mackay Sr. Non-matches are just as important as matches.

Just think of all the time people wasting trying to find a link between each other with the same surname. D.N.A. Test (cheaper way to go) could tell them right away not to waste their time and money or there might be a relationship.

I would have to think about your statement about what looking at tests the females would yield me. A Y marker test on the males of Floyd McKay would settle the question.

I would love to see our IN cousins to step up and submit their tests. A lot of the information I have about those cousins was given to the late Hunter Branson McKay and he never questioned what people gave to him or questioned their documentation.

I have been Google various surnames in my personal chart to see if D.N.A. results are posted. All in connectin with Y marker and I have really not seen people studying Mitochondrial D.N.A.

The Bolling Family Association very nice site and there are Bolen whose results show "E" (African-American Marker, "L" for females) and I wonder who they might be. I really would love to see the two sons of my Reeves Bolen to be tested, to see if they matched each other and if they matched the Bolen decendants of John Bowling & Martha Mangum. I am assuming the brothers of my Reeves Bolen were tested.

D.N.A. as totally settled the question of my Ball ancestors as NOT being related to Col. Wm. Ball.

D.N.A. has given me the Haplogroup of President Z. Taylor, now I just have to hope a distant member of my Taylor family submit his test.

The Mangum site I am going to have to study closer to see if they have clearly found the Y Marker for Joseph Mangum, my ancestor.

Found the Gist Y Marker for my ancestor of Christopher Gist of early Baltimore, MD.

There is a Brown D.N.A. Site, but I have not found the time to study it. I have four different Brown Families.

I have looking on line for our Sowers & Kerfoot families, but I have not found any good sites. If you hear anything about these families I would like to know about them.

As I cumulate my various Haplogroups, post the results on my Charts, I can start to narrow down the possiblies of Native American (was only in connection with Bolen Family, so that's settled) or African-American (never spoke of) in my family groups.

If Family Tree D.N.A. would open their records to me I am sure I could find the Haplogroups for all our Quaker ancestors. Send them a e-mail on Friday, just waiting for their answer.

I did find Family Tree DNA posting of the Mackay profiles that they have tested with the various different Haplogroups.

But they did not give the important information as to who is the oldest known ancestor of the men being tested.

The Bolling Family Association has a wonderful site if you are just starting your Bolling, Boland, Bolen etc....research. You can see easily for yourself if you are a related to the family of Robert Bolling or not, mostly likely you are not.

But perhaps your distant ancestor has already been tested by others and they are sharing those results with others for free.

Received a very nice and complete e-mail from her about how these project pages are laid out on line.

According to her "the oldest known ancestors" are not on her page, because the people who took the D.N.A. have not supply her the necessary information.

She stated that she just does not have the time to chase people trying to get them to send her the needed information.

I thanked her again for her time and left the offer to send the project monies, if her site started stating "oldest known ancestor" and of course I would want the monies spend on "our Mckay". I do not know if these two conditions will be met or not.

Some surname project have both Y & Mitochondrial Results and I do not believe the Mackay does. I do not know why some do and some do not. I would be intereted in seeing woman born into "our McKay" to have the opportunity to be included on this site. But again I have no idea why some surnames have both and most do not.

We read articles all the time in these D.N.A web sites a "white person" has received D.N.A. which goes back to "A" or "C" for Mitochondrial Test, which points to "Native American".

If these test results were made available to "we" who have paid our money to FamilyTree D.N.A. it would be very helpful. D.N.A. would really be a club to be used by the serious researcher to solve all kinds of "Family Mysteries". As it is now, "we" have to hope others will supply information to us. If they do not match we will not hear from them.

If you think about all your Quaker Families, well FamilytreeDNA has a special group of people comparing notes only among themselves--English Quakers. Well I would love to have that information. Wouldn't you like to know the Haplogroup of Hollingsworth, Antrim, Garwood, Wright, Haines etc....

With your Hartless Family, have any Y markers or Mitochondrial test have been done? Simple test would give you a rather direct answer: African-American or Native American.

When we submit our test we can mark we want the results shared or not. It would not cost additional monies, just to index their test results to all of us by surname or Haplogroup.

I do not think the decendants of Elizabeth Brown should have to come to me and ask for the test results. All who spend their money with FamilyTree DNA should have the opportunity to study the information supplied by others. That's is if they are really interested in furthering our research.

I have already authorized my sample send to National Geographical Society for their 5 year study.

Found Valentine Hollingsworth D.N.A. profile R 1b1b2