robertmackayclan

Looking over some of my notes, I think I am now missing the name of Elizabeth's eldest daughter. Other researchers have her name as Mary, but no sources given. So I will continue to look for the name in other records.

1850 Henderson Co. TN: Cornelius Melton 28 NC, Frances L. (Morris) Melton 26, Melton, Wm. R. Melton 5, Felix Melton 1, Mary Morris 13 for the 1850.

She listed on various bible records for Henry Morris and his two wives:

Mary A.F.L. Morris b. 11 Feb 1837, m. Lundo Griggs, d. 16 Nov 1903. The census for Henderson Co. TN are rather hard to read. On line researcher has this Mary listed as sister of said Frances L. Morris. Obviously this is not the case, for Isaac Morris died 1826.

He also has incorrect information as to the children of Cornelius Melton & said Frances L. Morris. I have very good documentation as to the names of their children:

1. Wm. R. Melton
2. Felix W. Melton
3. AMANDA E. MELTON
4. Cornelius Francis Melton

Mildred Morris was the daughter of George W. Morris born after 1860 census. She born 1863. He also had a son, so could be possible to have Y D.N.A test done to link those Morris to the test submit by Reed Morris (decendant of James G. Morris).

The fact that daughers of Henry & George W. Morris lived with Frances L. (Morris) Melton gives another link to hold this group together as brothers to my line.

Of course, I will continue to seek out additional documentation.

In this case, H.J. Bolen just made up facts because he wanted to be a descendants of a "famous Indian".

If females could be tested African-American shows up as "L" and Native American as "A" or "C". I do not know if they can place you in an individual tribes or not. Seems a lot of people seem to want to claim "Cherokee" perhaps they like the song "Cherokee People, Cherokee Tribe". Of course, Pocahontas was not a member of that group.

I know nothing about his female blood lines: Farmer & Jean families of early TN. It could be his females line contained "non-white", but not of Pocahontas. The pictures have been seen by several people I know, the first remark "Looks African-American".

If a person on the census was listed as "mulatto" that means African-American. In my Dictionary "The offspring of one white parent and one Negro parent". The people compiling the census and other court records were local people they knew who were of mixed race. And if they failed to record the proper race, they would go to jail. I do not know if Native American were required to be recorded on census records--1850,1860,1870. I have not looked at later census. I have seen CA census in 1900 list Chinese separately. Not listed as "Mulatto".

I have looked in the past at some paid Bolling Site at the public library and they have D.N.A tested posted for all to see. They also divide his descendants as "Red" & "White" Bollings. One group from his first marriage (descendants of Pocahontas) and "White" Bolling from his second marriage.
Far more Bolling, Bolen, Bowling totally different Haplogroup.

All Ball researcher start their research believe a member of Mary Ball's family, mother of George Washington. In the end most are not. Taylor researchers I have known working with VA records, all want to be related to President Z. Taylor, they are not. People just want to be related to famous people.

My problem with this classification was that it was said to have a broader meaning than simply half black/half white which is the proper definition of it.

Here's a link that illustrates what I've been hearing about early usage of this word:

http://www.mitsawokett.com/Mulatto%20Cl ... 20Laws.htm

I will take the information under advisement. But I still hold with Webster Dictionary statement about "Mulatto". You might have areas of the Colonies/US which had groups of people: Native American, freed slaves and white (like in FL)that mixed together in a small community, but they were referred to as Seminole. I am afraid my "fellow Whites" rather have the term "Mulatto" expanded to include "Native American" because they rather not find their blood lines includes African-American. Now D.N.A. testing will give you the the answer to that question and we do not have to go on others "personal opinion" what people "look like".

I believe years ago there was a site which showed the descendants of John Bolling of VA compared to others samples. Obviously totally different families. If you look at the picture of John Bolling Sr. of VA he doesn't look particurly "Indian" to me. On the other hand, the two pictures of my distant Bolen cousins, appear to show non-white features. Logically, they would be at least 12 generations from the time period of Pocahontas.

H.J. Bolen wants "us" to believe that these men just now "look like Pocahontas". Afraid I am not buying it. Another rule of Science, the child can not be dark than the darkest parent. Also I have two other pictures of Bolen men: gr-gr-grandfather Sion Monroe Bolen and his Uncle P.H. Bolen either have the same features as the other Bolen.

So a persons with the surname: Bolling, Bowling, Bolin, Bolen etc..... just take a test and it will rule you in or out as being member of the "Famous Bolling". I am afraid people rather hold on to their fairly tales rather than to have the truth. People have been holding on to their believes for decades and they do not want to have science comming along and take them away from them. Please, do not raise the point of "the cost of the test", they money spend doing a D.N.A. is far less than the cost of doing research.

As far as your family problem: D.N.A. will rule the various Y marker as African-American or not on the male line only. Now if you have distant cousins who are also interested in genealogy, you can look at your pedigree chart and trace the various lines back by the various Hapologroups.

I wish Family D.N.A. Web Site had a menus of all the various surnames that have been tested so we all could "share" the results. For people who have done their library work, armed with additional D.N.A. test, could/should be very helpful. Non-matches just as important as matches.

My problem with this classification was that it was said to have a broader meaning than simply half black/half white which is the proper definition of it.

Here's a link that illustrates what I've been hearing about early usage of this word:

http://www.mitsawokett.com/Mulatto%20Cl ... 20Laws.htm

I will take the information under advisement. But I still hold with Webster Dictionary statement about "Mulatto". You might have areas of the Colonies/US which had groups of people: Native American, freed slaves and white (like in FL)that mixed together in a small community, but they were referred to as Seminole. I am afraid my "fellow Whites" rather have the term "Mulatto" expanded to include "Native American" because they rather not find their blood lines includes African-American. Now D.N.A. testing will give you the the answer to that question and we do not have to go on others "personal opinion" what people "look like".

I believe years ago there was a site which showed the descendants of John Bolling of VA compared to others samples. Obviously totally different families. If you look at the picture of John Bolling Sr. of VA he doesn't look particurly "Indian" to me. On the other hand, the two pictures of my distant Bolen cousins, appear to show non-white features. Logically, they would be at least 12 generations from the time period of Pocahontas.

H.J. Bolen wants "us" to believe that these men just now "look like Pocahontas". Afraid I am not buying it. Another rule of Science, the child can not be dark than the darkest parent. Also I have two other pictures of Bolen men: gr-gr-grandfather Sion Monroe Bolen and his Uncle P.H. Bolen either have the same features as the other Bolen.

So a persons with the surname: Bolling, Bowling, Bolin, Bolen etc..... just take a test and it will rule you in or out as being member of the "Famous Bolling". I am afraid people rather hold on to their fairly tales rather than to have the truth. People have been holding on to their believes for decades and they do not want to have science comming along and take them away from them. Please, do not raise the point of "the cost of the test", they money spend doing a D.N.A. is far less than the cost of doing research.

As far as your family problem: D.N.A. will rule the various Y marker as African-American or not on the male line only. Now if you have distant cousins who are also interested in genealogy, you can look at your pedigree chart and trace the various lines back by the various Hapologroups.

I wish Family D.N.A. Web Site had a menus of all the various surnames that have been tested so we all could "share" the results. For people who have done their library work, armed with additional D.N.A. test, could/should be very helpful. Non-matches just as important as matches.

I will take the information under advisement. But I still hold with Webster Dictionary statement about "Mulatto". You might have areas of the Colonies/US which had groups of people: Native American, freed slaves and white (like in FL)that mixed together in a small community, but they were referred to as Seminole. I am afraid my "fellow Whites" rather have the term "Mulatto" expanded to include "Native American" because they rather not find their blood lines includes African-American. Now D.N.A. testing will give you the the answer to that question and we do not have to go on others "personal opinion" what people "look like".

I believe years ago there was a site which showed the descendants of John Bolling of VA compared to others samples. Obviously totally different families. If you look at the picture of John Bolling Sr. of VA he doesn't look particurly "Indian" to me. On the other hand, the two pictures of my distant Bolen cousins, appear to show non-white features. Logically, they would be at least 12 generations from the time period of Pocahontas.

H.J. Bolen wants "us" to believe that these men just now "look like Pocahontas". Afraid I am not buying it. Another rule of Science, the child can not be dark than the darkest parent. Also I have two other pictures of Bolen men: gr-gr-grandfather Sion Monroe Bolen and his Uncle P.H. Bolen either have the same features as the other Bolen.

So a persons with the surname: Bolling, Bowling, Bolin, Bolen etc..... just take a test and it will rule you in or out as being member of the "Famous Bolling". I am afraid people rather hold on to their fairly tales rather than to have the truth. People have been holding on to their believes for decades and they do not want to have science comming along and take them away from them. Please, do not raise the point of "the cost of the test", they money spend doing a D.N.A. is far less than the cost of doing research.

As far as your family problem: D.N.A. will rule the various Y marker as African-American or not on the male line only. Now if you have distant cousins who are also interested in genealogy, you can look at your pedigree chart and trace the various lines back by the various Hapologroups.

I wish Family D.N.A. Web Site had a menus of all the various surnames that have been tested so we all could "share" the results. For people who have done their library work, armed with additional D.N.A. test, could/should be very helpful. Non-matches just as important as matches.

It would be nice if we were able to find that piece of legislation indicating Virginia's official designation of 'Mulatto'.

Yeah, there's no way any of those people can look like Pocahontas especially since they've been intermarrying for many years.

One of my biggest pet peaves is these so-called Indian 'tribes' that have popped up here in Virginia and North Carolina made up of both white, black and mixed peoples who all claim to have Indian ancestry. Seems that the only culture they promote is the plastic powwow culture that seems to be prevelant amongst them. You visit any of their websites they are either a dancer, a healer or whatever their interpretation of how Indians lived. They claim to be honouring their ancestors. Folks, if you are honouring your ancestors you would be respectful of how they really lived their lives and not engage in some made up fantasy of how their culture was taken away from them etc. etc. and how you're bringing it back.

I have the biggest problem with the Tuscarora groups in North Carolina who seem to have forgotten that the only way a person is a member of the Tuscarora Nation is if his or her mother is a member and only through that line. Many of these groups twist that fact around to their own amusement. The Tuscarora Nation does not recognise as members any of these groups in North Carolina and has repeatedly asked them to stop calling themselves Tuscarora. It's okay to have Tuscarora ancestry but they are no more members of that Nation than I am French or Scottish based on my ancestry.

As to DNA testing I think it would involve more complex DNA testing to find out whether or not someone has Indian ancestry if it is possible. It would involve hundreds of dollars nonetheless. The testing we've been focusing on are straight patrilineal and matrilineal lines without any deviation so they don't include the DNA from the other families you come from in the middle.

I've found both my Matrilineal and Patrilineal DNA tests (Y-DNA & MTDNA) point to European origins so if I can trace any Indian ancestry in my family it has to be from one of the other families I come from in the middle. Same appears to be true for my friend Sara.

There is a web site

Anti-miscegenations laws

Under Wikpedia, the free encyclopeedia

Explains marriage law in the State of VA and other locations.

It would be nice if we were able to find that piece of legislation indicating Virginia's official designation of 'Mulatto'.

Yeah, there's no way any of those people can look like Pocahontas especially since they've been intermarrying for many years.

One of my biggest pet peaves is these so-called Indian 'tribes' that have popped up here in Virginia and North Carolina made up of both white, black and mixed peoples who all claim to have Indian ancestry. Seems that the only culture they promote is the plastic powwow culture that seems to be prevelant amongst them. You visit any of their websites they are either a dancer, a healer or whatever their interpretation of how Indians lived. They claim to be honouring their ancestors. Folks, if you are honouring your ancestors you would be respectful of how they really lived their lives and not engage in some made up fantasy of how their culture was taken away from them etc. etc. and how you're bringing it back.

I have the biggest problem with the Tuscarora groups in North Carolina who seem to have forgotten that the only way a person is a member of the Tuscarora Nation is if his or her mother is a member and only through that line. Many of these groups twist that fact around to their own amusement. The Tuscarora Nation does not recognise as members any of these groups in North Carolina and has repeatedly asked them to stop calling themselves Tuscarora. It's okay to have Tuscarora ancestry but they are no more members of that Nation than I am French or Scottish based on my ancestry.

As to DNA testing I think it would involve more complex DNA testing to find out whether or not someone has Indian ancestry if it is possible. It would involve hundreds of dollars nonetheless. The testing we've been focusing on are straight patrilineal and matrilineal lines without any deviation so they don't include the DNA from the other families you come from in the middle.

I've found both my Matrilineal and Patrilineal DNA tests (Y-DNA & MTDNA) point to European origins so if I can trace any Indian ancestry in my family it has to be from one of the other families I come from in the middle. Same appears to be true for my friend Sara.

We read articles all the time in these D.N.A web sites a "white person" has received D.N.A. which goes back to "A" or "C" for Mitochondrial Test, which points to "Native American".

If these test results were made available to "we" who have paid our money to FamilyTree D.N.A. it would be very helpful. D.N.A. would really be a club to be used by the serious researcher to solve all kinds of "Family Mysteries". As it is now, "we" have to hope others will supply information to us. If they do not match we will not hear from them.

If you think about all your Quaker Families, well FamilytreeDNA has a special group of people comparing notes only among themselves--English Quakers. Well I would love to have that information. Wouldn't you like to know the Haplogroup of Hollingsworth, Antrim, Garwood, Wright, Haines etc....

With your Hartless Family, have any Y markers or Mitochondrial test have been done? Simple test would give you a rather direct answer: African-American or Native American.

When we submit our test we can mark we want the results shared or not. It would not cost additional monies, just to index their test results to all of us by surname or Haplogroup.

I do not think the decendants of Elizabeth Brown should have to come to me and ask for the test results. All who spend their money with FamilyTree DNA should have the opportunity to study the information supplied by others. That's is if they are really interested in furthering our research.

I have already authorized my sample send to National Geographical Society for their 5 year study.

It would be nice if we were able to find that piece of legislation indicating Virginia's official designation of 'Mulatto'.

Yeah, there's no way any of those people can look like Pocahontas especially since they've been intermarrying for many years.

One of my biggest pet peaves is these so-called Indian 'tribes' that have popped up here in Virginia and North Carolina made up of both white, black and mixed peoples who all claim to have Indian ancestry. Seems that the only culture they promote is the plastic powwow culture that seems to be prevelant amongst them. You visit any of their websites they are either a dancer, a healer or whatever their interpretation of how Indians lived. They claim to be honouring their ancestors. Folks, if you are honouring your ancestors you would be respectful of how they really lived their lives and not engage in some made up fantasy of how their culture was taken away from them etc. etc. and how you're bringing it back.

I have the biggest problem with the Tuscarora groups in North Carolina who seem to have forgotten that the only way a person is a member of the Tuscarora Nation is if his or her mother is a member and only through that line. Many of these groups twist that fact around to their own amusement. The Tuscarora Nation does not recognise as members any of these groups in North Carolina and has repeatedly asked them to stop calling themselves Tuscarora. It's okay to have Tuscarora ancestry but they are no more members of that Nation than I am French or Scottish based on my ancestry.

As to DNA testing I think it would involve more complex DNA testing to find out whether or not someone has Indian ancestry if it is possible. It would involve hundreds of dollars nonetheless. The testing we've been focusing on are straight patrilineal and matrilineal lines without any deviation so they don't include the DNA from the other families you come from in the middle.

I've found both my Matrilineal and Patrilineal DNA tests (Y-DNA & MTDNA) point to European origins so if I can trace any Indian ancestry in my family it has to be from one of the other families I come from in the middle. Same appears to be true for my friend Sara.

As it stands now my Granville & Orange counties, NC did not come from eastern counties of NC then moving west. They came down from either NJ or VA (Bowling/Bolen from MD).

There is a web site

Anti-miscegenations laws

Under Wikpedia, the free encyclopeedia

Explains marriage law in the State of VA and other locations.

Yep, some of my Hartless family got in trouble because of that.

We read articles all the time in these D.N.A web sites a "white person" has received D.N.A. which goes back to "A" or "C" for Mitochondrial Test, which points to "Native American".

If these test results were made available to "we" who have paid our money to FamilyTree D.N.A. it would be very helpful. D.N.A. would really be a club to be used by the serious researcher to solve all kinds of "Family Mysteries". As it is now, "we" have to hope others will supply information to us. If they do not match we will not hear from them.

If you think about all your Quaker Families, well FamilytreeDNA has a special group of people comparing notes only among themselves--English Quakers. Well I would love to have that information. Wouldn't you like to know the Haplogroup of Hollingsworth, Antrim, Garwood, Wright, Haines etc....

With your Hartless Family, have any Y markers or Mitochondrial test have been done? Simple test would give you a rather direct answer: African-American or Native American.

When we submit our test we can mark we want the results shared or not. It would not cost additional monies, just to index their test results to all of us by surname or Haplogroup.

I do not think the decendants of Elizabeth Brown should have to come to me and ask for the test results. All who spend their money with FamilyTree DNA should have the opportunity to study the information supplied by others. That's is if they are really interested in furthering our research.

I have already authorized my sample send to National Geographical Society for their 5 year study.

Well, the nature of my Hartless line is that in latter generations before intermarrying into my Entsmingers their patrilineal ancestry wasn't Hartless. I have two instances where the children took their mother's name rather than the father's who was unknown.

Remember the situation with my Smiths? Similar one with my Hartless.

As to the earlier ones I guess it depends on which parent in the first intermarriage was white, black or Indian. If it was a man named Hartless whose paternal line goes back to Native America or Africa it will show up as such and he would have married a white woman and produced offspring which will show the African or Native Y-DNA markers. If the situation was reversed the children will show European markers like Haplogroup R1b1 etc. but will still of course be called 'mulatto'.