robertmackayclan

I tried to response to your message about Jesse McKay who fought in the American Revolutionary War, but it would not take my answer.

In my Mackay book on page 89 was my chart of the various Jacob & Jesse connected with the descendants of Robert Mackay Jr. His brothers did not seem to use the first names Jacob & Jesse.

Robert Mackay Jr.'s son Jesse was the one who died in the war, he had been disowned by the Hopewell Meeting house in 5 Apr 1773. I did not have the information that he was killed when I compiled by book in 1997. I guess his was a dead line. I have no record if he had children or not.

Robert Mackay Jr. son JACOB MCKAY SR. also had a son named Jesse McKay and you will find him in Hopewell Records, I believe he was the one disowned in 1809, found in Frederick Co. VA Land Deeds and 1810 census, living next to your Asa McKay. He was the one who removed to Ross Co. OH. The 1810 has others living in his household, but I have found no record in VA that he was married or had children.

I am also looking for the Jesse who was the brother of my Jacob McKay, he one buried in Nineveh Cemetery. I have not found him in Frederick Co. VA land deeds and I hope to find him selling his lands filed in Shenandoah Co. VA.

The only Jesse McKay found on US census for 1820, the Jesse McKay of OH (we know how his fits into our family) and Jesse Sr. & Jr.

I need to find the record of sale of land to "my" Jacob McKay (husband to Elizabeth Antrim) purchased from his brother Jesse McKay, as recorded in said Jacob's will.

There must be a record of the sale in Frederick Co. VA (I have already read those) or in Shenandoah Co. VA.

I tried to response to your message about Jesse McKay who fought in the American Revolutionary War, but it would not take my answer.

In my Mackay book on page 89 was my chart of the various Jacob & Jesse connected with the descendants of Robert Mackay Jr. His brothers did not seem to use the first names Jacob & Jesse.

Robert Mackay Jr.'s son Jesse was the one who died in the war, he had been disowned by the Hopewell Meeting house in 5 Apr 1773. I did not have the information that he was killed when I compiled by book in 1997. I guess his was a dead line. I have no record if he had children or not.

Robert Mackay Jr. son JACOB MCKAY SR. also had a son named Jesse McKay and you will find him in Hopewell Records, I believe he was the one disowned in 1809, found in Frederick Co. VA Land Deeds and 1810 census, living next to your Asa McKay. He was the one who removed to Ross Co. OH. The 1810 has others living in his household, but I have found no record in VA that he was married or had children.

I am also looking for the Jesse who was the brother of my Jacob McKay, he one buried in Nineveh Cemetery. I have not found him in Frederick Co. VA land deeds and I hope to find him selling his lands filed in Shenandoah Co. VA.

Last year, I tried without success to order your MacKay book from Salt Lake for use at the local Family History Center. Is it possible that more copies will be produced at some time?

Here is the last Muster Roll for Pvt. Jesse McKay showing he died Nov. 15, 1778. The source of the document is: U.S. Revolutionary War Rolls, 5th & 9th Regiment, 1778-1779, Folder 151 (NARA Film 102).



This is the Compiled Military Service Record showing the last Muster Roll for Jesse McKay before his death was at "Pompton" (New Jersey). I'm not certain where he actually died, but the other Muster Rolls and CMSRs for Jesse McKay show he was with the Virginia 5th Regiment at "Brunswick", "White Plains" and "West Point" before Pompton. Jesse McKay also was with the Virginia 5th Regiment at Valley Forge under the command of Gen. George Washington.

Too few people wanted to buy a copy of my book, that it is not worthwhile to me spending hundreds of dollars to keep a supply of by Mackay books on hand. I would have to have forty people cash in hand before I would run off another run of the book. I rather spend my monies ordering films to get more and new information. I believe I sold it for $35.00 (305 pages).

Same true for Fairfax Land Suit. Salt Lake has on film Hunter B. McKay's book (@489 pages) on film. You will want to order it on their film. It is not the kind of a book you read once and are finished. You will really want a copy for your private library. It will give to you insights into the character of Robert Sr. I compiled his book using smaller type into 169 page, to make it cheaper to run off copies. I sold too few copies to justify my efforts. I believe I sold it for $21.00.

If I never find the birth place of Robert MacKay I will compile my notes about the ancestry of Robert Sr. and his early life, which I did not know when I compiled my notes in 1997.

I believe State of VA, Alexandria Public Library and Handley Library has copies of my MacKay & Fairfax Land Suit book. You might contact them or your local library to see if they exchange books with them. Allen Public Library has copies of my books.

Hopewell Friend History is another book you will want to have in your private library. It is full of bits and pieces of information dealing with the children and grandchildren of Robert Sr. The Hinshaw books cost about $75 a piece, his VA books has information about the MacKay family, but you will get more information in Hopewell than in Hinshaw. Chalkley (3 vol.) has information about Robert Sr. & his children's records in old Augusta Co. VA.

Other people have compiled books dealing with Quaker Records in MD which have a very few records dealing with Robert Sr. and his children. You might want to order the film through L.D.S. library for Nottingham Meeting House. You will find only about five entries dealing with Robert Sr. and three of his children. It would appear they were not very active Quakers.

The Quaker records in NJ do not have information about our Mackay/McKay/McCoy-- because I now know Robert was NOT a Quaker when he was living in NJ. So you will not find "hide or hair" of HIM in Quaker records in that location.

My resource books dealing with Clarke, Frederick, Shenandoah & Warren, full of information dealing with the descendants of Robert Sr. When I sell a run of each of these books, they are out of print. It is farer cheaper to pay me than to search at various libraries to get my books. Or other researchers can order all the films and read each line by line, roll by roll to get the same information. In the end spending far more of their time and money.

Good luck your research.

I did visit the Handley Library in Winchester last year and copied a few pages of your "MacKay" book. I've also rechecked the Salt Lake catalogue and find they now have the MacKay book on microfilm as well as the hardcopy. So when the local FHC reopens after their remodeling project is completed, I will definitely order the MacKay film and the film of the Hite & Fairfax suit. Thanks for the information and resource updates.

Unless someone has send to Salt Lake a copy of my MacKay Book copyright year 1997, the one they have was my first book (copyright 1990) I compiled before I started seeking out additional information on the various McKay lines. Also at that time I "trusted" other people's information, now I do not.

You should have copied the one in Handley Library. Of course, I consider my book of 1997, out of date. I believe they have copies of most of my resource books and other family histories.

Both have more information about the family that is included in Beatice M. Doughtie "The Mackeys" copyright 1957-- 1002 pages, out of that starting page 150 to 238 has information about the descendants of Robert MacKay Sr. She and Hunter B. McKay continue to exchange information until he died in 1972. I think Salt Lake has his notes on film, but I do not think they have filmed all his notes down to 1972.

The late Bill Jobe's newsletter might be on fiche or film, but I would not totally "trust" his information about Robert SR. He like to add drama to the facts and twist facts to add drama about the early Mackay family. It was in his newsletter that started the Hugh McKay mess and the incorrect information about the parents of Ann Brown, Robert's first wife. All on the internet and people continue to pass both around like facts. I have zero patience with people who continue to pass their "family tales" as facts.

As of now, what I can tell you about the position of Robert Mackay Sr. in his early life--non Quaker, perhaps of no religious association at all, and he did not own land until his removal to PA/MD. It would appear he paid cash for that land. "Cash on the barrrow head, that's the way McKay do it" is what my grandmother Daisy Love (McKay) Shipp said her father believe was the correct way to pay for goods, no mortgage or "charge it" for his family. Which is nice for them to live within their means, but harder to trace our ancestors through court records, if they were not in debt.

Now both known facts about Roberts Sr.'s early life, should give future McKay researchers a new direction to seek out information about his early life. It will be pointless to seek him out in the early Quaker records in NJ, MA or in GB. He was not a land owner, so he will not be found selling or buying lands in NJ, RI or MA. It is much harder to find a common laborer of no religious association in colonial America, but that was what Robert Mackay Sr. was in his society. So researchers will have to read courts courts-- line by line, page by page, roll by roll and hope to find him. Like I have done finding him as a witness on that land deed record in Middlesex Co. NJ. See the posting on Michael's site.

The books by David Dobson should be used to give the background of the early Scots in colonies. And the only MacKay listed in his books early enough to be the parents of Robert Mackay were the ones found in MA. His books show no Mackay coming directly from Scotland into NJ. In one of his books has the statement that Scots came down from New England to into NJ "of no particular religion". I think this statement can be applied to our Robert Sr.

I have already posted on Michael's site additional documented information about the family and will continue to do so in the future.

I did visit the Handley Library in Winchester last year and copied a few pages of your "MacKay" book. I've also rechecked the Salt Lake catalogue and find they now have the MacKay book on microfilm as well as the hardcopy. So when the local FHC reopens after their remodeling project is completed, I will definitely order the MacKay film and the film of the Hite & Fairfax suit. Thanks for the information and resource updates.

Their film #1697489 item 4 is a copy of my first Mackay, which does not have the updated information found in my Mackay book of 1997.

I tried to response to your message about Jesse McKay who fought in the American Revolutionary War, but it would not take my answer.

In my Mackay book on page 89 was my chart of the various Jacob & Jesse connected with the descendants of Robert Mackay Jr. His brothers did not seem to use the first names Jacob & Jesse.

Robert Mackay Jr.'s son Jesse was the one who died in the war, he had been disowned by the Hopewell Meeting house in 5 Apr 1773. I did not have the information that he was killed when I compiled by book in 1997. I guess his was a dead line. I have no record if he had children or not.

Robert Mackay Jr. son JACOB MCKAY SR. also had a son named Jesse McKay and you will find him in Hopewell Records, I believe he was the one disowned in 1809, found in Frederick Co. VA Land Deeds and 1810 census, living next to your Asa McKay. He was the one who removed to Ross Co. OH. The 1810 has others living in his household, but I have found no record in VA that he was married or had children.

I am also looking for the Jesse who was the brother of my Jacob McKay, he one buried in Nineveh Cemetery. I have not found him in Frederick Co. VA land deeds and I hope to find him selling his lands filed in Shenandoah Co. VA.

Warren Co. VA Court Minutes had an item for Jesse McKay in 1836 appointed deputy sheriff for Isaac Overacre.

I hope the records in Warren Co. VA will shed more light about said Jesse McKay who was the brother of my ancestor Jacob McKay (the one buried in Nineveh Cemeter) like his final resting place.

Another Jesse McKay who could have been the listed in the last posting

Robert McKay Jr. son
Jacob McKay Sr. son
John McKay m. Rebecca........? buried Nineveh Cemetery their youngest son
Jesse McKay

Said Jesse McKay had brothers: Joseph McKay & John Wesley McKay both buried in above cemetery.

I have found plenty of records for Jesse' brothers, but little about him.

Hope will find more as I comb through Warren Co. VA records