robertmackayclan

The L.D.S. film #1597984#8 is the Biography of Harry Coy. The family changed the name from Mackay. This family connected Archibald MacKay to Daniel Mackay of early MA. I believe they are wrong. Daniel's will does not named a son Archibald. I ordered that film and other to get the names of Daniel's children and other to get the following names.

1. Sarah Mackay born 10 Jan 1663, died before 1711 (before her father)

2. Nathaniel Mackay born 1 Oct 1665 serviced in the military 1685

3. Daniel Mackay born 17 Aug 1670 died before 1711

4. Mary Mackay born 17 Oct 1672 in Newtown, Middlesex Co. MA d. young

5. Mary Mackay born 25 Sep 1673 m. ........Ashcroft as named in her father's will

6. Jacob Mackay born 14 Mar 1675 named in father's will

7. Hannah Mackay born 29 Mar 1677 married ......Clark as named in her father's will

8. Ebenezer Mackay born 20 Oct 1680. There is a man by this name in CT at the time of Amer. Rev. War

9. Experience Mackay named her father's will as married to Mr. Howlet.

Some early Secondary Sources list Daniel as "Scotchman", but I have not found the actual location in Scotland.

L.D.S. #0860457 item 2-3 dealing with the Hand Family, by total "luck" it has a small piece of information about "The Clan Mackay" they claimed that "Scotch-Irish" from Argyll, Scotland in the early 1711's arrived into MA, the only one man listed Archibald Maccoy who died 1745 married wife Margery and arrived to MA from "Northern Ireland". They listed their children as Abigail (married Edward Houghton), Edward, Nehemiah & Wm. They stated the first children born in "Northern Ireland"

Well, I know from original records Archibald MacKay married in Newtown, MA in 16 Mar 1692 to Margaret Longley. The names of their children listed in Pomfret, Windham Co. CT.

I have found no records that he was related to any of the other MacKay who arrived in MA in 1651.

It was his decendant who compiled the book "Biography of Harry Coy" by Wm. Allen May. Archibald chilren & grandchildren used the surname Coy.

Hi Dee Ann,
I am working with a researcher in Killingly, CT, where the first and last sons of this Daniel Mackay settled. I'd like to share this Will info with her, if I may. Can you tell me anything more about where you found the it? Finding data on this clan is often so difficult because of the many spelling versions that exist in each generation!

I will keep you posted as we discover anything concrete, even if it isn't related to your MacKay clan...it's good to know who the others belong to!

Thanks so much.
Cindy

If, I understand correctly your male Y marker does not match Michael L. McKay (he being my cousin).

So, if that is true-- your group of Mackay (various spelling) are not related to my group. It would be really interesting if the known descendants of Archibald also took the DNA test. Would they have their own Y marker or match yours or Michael's ?

Daniel's will is included in Wm. Allen May's book.I have not taken the trouble to get a copy of it off the film, because I do not think "we" are related. The above film I have placed in L.D.S. library here in Annandale, VA in their "long-term file". So I know I can get a copy if that becomes necessary. You will not find the grave of Daniel or his wife.

Said Wm. Allen May connected his line Archibald to said Daniel, without documentation. I do not know why they did not look at the other MacKay that arrived into early MA. I do not think he spend a lot of time on the other named children of Daniel.

Henry & John MacKay father and son removed to CT. I see no connection with my Robert Mackay. Both in the ship "John and Sarah"

James Mackay the one I am interest in still lived in MA as 1694 and I do not think he removed to CT.

I believe I have already posted the MacKay men who arrived in 1651, still missing Alexander/Sanders, Hill? & Rory.

I am looking, of course, for Robert MacKay who married Ann Brown. I have failed to find said couple in early MA or CT.

I have not found among the original records where in Scotland any of the MacKay lived before removal to MA. I really wish people who are making statements as to the birth places of people would state where they are getting their information.

If I find additional information about the surname MacKay in MA, certain will post it here on Michael's site.

Dee Ann, forgive me as I am a comparative novice at this, but is this the book you are referring to? The House of May (1984)by W.A. May

I want to obtain a copy of the Will of Daniel (Sarah), as it looks increasingly certain that I am of his line. Also...why are you certain I won't be able to find their graves?....too long gone? I certainly bow to your experience, just curious. I don't want to go on any wild goose chases, so I'll strike MA from my itinerary this summer and concentrate on other locations.

Thanks so much!
Cindy

Found on L.D.S. #1597984 #8 is the book called "Biography of Harry Coy" by Wm. Allen May. Cost of $5.50 for three week rental.

If you have further questioned about the itme, you can go to their familysearch.org and type in the number to see the item for yourself. You will find some of their works are on LINE.

I have asked the librarian what is the procedure to get a book on line from the film. She is checking into it.

I believe it was the church records of Cambridge which had some of Daniel's children listed. I have those order numbers some where in my "notes". I did not make copies.

Included in the family history of this man (Harry Coy) goes back to his Scottish family Mackay.

They have connected their Coy line to the family of Daniel Mackay & his wife Sarah. I believe they are wrong, he belonged to another group of MacKay. The other short history of "Clan of MacKay" had Archibald as his own emigrate from Argyll, Scotland, but I do not believe that is correct. That #0860457 items 2-3.

I seem to remember the rest of the generations after Daniel just about Archibald and his line.

As far as you are concerned, included in his book short history of Scotland about the Battle of Dunbar & Worchester. They have a bit about Charles II & Oliver Cromwell & other important people etc....

Listing of the soldiers send to MA on "John & Sarah" (or Sara). There is a list on line through State of MA library. I have my own listing picking through Dodson's book. I believe the list of these soldiers in MA land deed book 3.

They have also included a typed copy of Daniel's will and photo copy of the original. I do not think Sarah left a will.

The reason I say there is no grave to find, because these are not people of great wealth in their society. And I believe in the above book a statement was given that the burial place can not be found.

I believe they gave the location of his farm and I do not know if the church where they went is still standing or not.

On my own house front-- tomorrow I hope our "workmen" will be finishing our final and third bathroom, so I will not be doing library work.

We are entering sailing season, so depending on the weather, the weekends will be spend on the boat.

At the moment I am abtracting and compiling Frederick Co. VA Land Deeds Book 49 & 50. This is my "day job" and other films take back seat, for I just have the film for three weeks. I have on "long term films" more film dealing with early MA records, so there might be additional information.

I do not know when I will find the time to look at the film about Daniel Mackay.

Good luck with your research.

I should have typed Charles I.

Junior McKay and I both match with a 23/25 difference. That's two markers showing a difference.

With Kent Smith and I, our difference is 35/37 markers since we both tested 37 markers.

Kent Smith is believed to be a Robert Mackay descendant but his earliest known ancestor named Smith was said to be an orphan. It's likely his real last name was McKay.

Junior McKay's test results came from another DNA company other than Family Tree DNA but they tested similar allelles to the ones I had tested. His company also tested markers 461, 441, & 463 which were not tested on my sample. I do not know if Family Tree DNA tests those markers or not.

All markers are uniformely recognised by scientists but different testing companies may not necessarily test the same ones. Could potentially create a problem if the two testing companies do not test a majority of the same markers. How would someone know if they had a match.

Fortunately we have Y-search so that people like Junior who used a different testing company can enter their test results and compare them to others in that database.

On a side note, my theory is that Kent Smith is descended from one of Robert's other sons, either James or Zachariah because he, Junior and I differ by two markers each respectively. Perhaps this has something to do with the mutation rate in our family. I'd have to see more test results from proven Robert Mackay descendants to know how the pattern developed. Junior is descended from Moses Mackay and Mary Job.

Hi Michael,
I saw this offer on FamilyTree today and thought of this dna thread on your board. I have no idea of the "conversion" is of value to people who didn't originally test with FT, but in case it is..... here is the url to check out:
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/promo_gap.pdf
Best,
Cindy

Hi Dee Ann,
I am working with a researcher in Killingly, CT, where the first and last sons of this Daniel Mackay settled. I'd like to share this Will info with her, if I may. Can you tell me anything more about where you found the it? Finding data on this clan is often so difficult because of the many spelling versions that exist in each generation!

I will keep you posted as we discover anything concrete, even if it isn't related to your MacKay clan...it's good to know who the others belong to!

Thanks so much.
Cindy

I have already checked to see if the library has the book by Wm. Allen May copyright 1987 "Coy Family History" on line, not now available. I have check with the librarian here in VA to find out the method to get their books on line.

You can order the film through any L.D.S. library for $5.50 for three weeks, additional cost to extend the film for longer.

Earlier sections of this book about the later generations, using the surname Coy.


Part III has the information about

Starts with the history of English Civil War, talks about the prisoners held in London before sent to MA. This book at the end of Part III has a copy of the listing of all the prisoners. A listing on line through State of MA library. I have that address. Dodson has a better listing of the men send to MA


1. Daniel Macoy pages 168-184
2. Archibald Macoy page 185-204
3. Edward Maccoy (son of Archbald) page 205-209
4. Stephen Coy (son of Edward) page 210-214

I believe you descend from Daniel's children, than Archibald. This book has no further information about them.

This book list nine children of Daniel, Archibald not listed as one of them. I have found the original parish records from L.D.S. to verify the following:

Daniel Mackey most likely a boy age of 14 years when he arrived to MA. I have not found any record of the actual location in Scotland. Nor any record that the other MacKay were blood relations to said Daniel. The earlier historian seem to agree he was the soldier who arrived in the ship "John and Sarah". They agree Daniel married in Roxbury, MA to a woman named Sarah. I do not have her maiden name. He gave his occupation as "Husbandman" when he purchased land in Cambridge in 1661 his occupation was given as "taylor" in his will. On May 1678 others signed the petition to set up a new town from Cambridge, to be called "Newtown", Daniel did not sign it. In 1678 Daniel Maccoy was paid for sweeping the town meeting house. In 1701-02 he was paid for boarding the widow Ann Lovering Thomas. On 4 Nov 1703 filed in Middlesex Co. MA land deed granted to his eldest son Nathaniel all his estate. His wife Sarah was deceased at the time of the his will was drawn on 24th Jun 1711, his will probated 7 Aug 1711. His inventory filed 24 Aug 1711 value 21 pounds,17 shillings, 8 pences: wearing apparel, bed & bedding, household cooking items & 3 cows.

"It may be assumed that his body was buried at Newton, MA where his wife was buried The graves cannot be found" Coy.

Daniel & Sarah children from the above book & other film I have personal viewed.


1. Sarah MacKay born 10 Jan 1663 listed on parish birth registry, not named in father's will

2. Nathaniel MacKay born 1 Oct 1665 listed on parish birth registry, father devised his entire estate to him before he died in 4 Nov 1703 filed in Middlesex County Records. Daniel's wife Sarah alive at that time.

3. Daniel Mackay born 17 Aug 1670 died before father's will

4. Mary Mackay born 17 Oct 1672 on parish records Newton, Middlesex Co. VA died young.

5. Mary Mackay born 25 Sep 1673 on parish record, m..........Ashcroft, named in her father's will

6. Jacob Mackay born 14 Mar 1675, birth recorded by Rev. John Elliot in his Roxbury Church "Jakob Makoe, s. of Daniel, bp. 19 Mar 1675/6/. Daniel & Sarah were living in Cambridge at the time, but son bap. in different location.

7. Hannah Mackay born 29 Mar 1677 m. ........Clark, named in her father's will.

8. Ebenezer Mackay born 20 Oct 1680 recorded on Parish Birth Records, named in father's will. There is a man by this name in CT by Amer. Rev.

9. Experience Mackay named in father's will as Experience Howlet.


If interested in this Daniel I would check the location in MA through film L.D.S. has for rent. I have found some of his sons in the records in CT.

I have no idea why the earlier "experts" when trying to find the parentage for Archibald Mackay (etc....) just connected him to said Daniel. There were other Mackay on the same ship. Why not look at them ???

According to CT records the Henry & John who settled in CT were father & son. I have no idea if they others were related.

I have found addtional Mackay--Capt. Benjamin MacKay was a captain of various ships that recorded a complaint against sailors of his who jumped ship in Boston. I need to find out more about thim.

I am still interesed in James Mackay who witness a land deed in Suffolk Co. MA in 8 Jan 1695/6.

Junior McKay and I both match with a 23/25 difference. That's two markers showing a difference.

With Kent Smith and I, our difference is 35/37 markers since we both tested 37 markers.

Kent Smith is believed to be a Robert Mackay descendant but his earliest known ancestor named Smith was said to be an orphan. It's likely his real last name was McKay.

Junior McKay's test results came from another DNA company other than Family Tree DNA but they tested similar allelles to the ones I had tested. His company also tested markers 461, 441, & 463 which were not tested on my sample. I do not know if Family Tree DNA tests those markers or not.

All markers are uniformely recognised by scientists but different testing companies may not necessarily test the same ones. Could potentially create a problem if the two testing companies do not test a majority of the same markers. How would someone know if they had a match.

Fortunately we have Y-search so that people like Junior who used a different testing company can enter their test results and compare them to others in that database.

On a side note, my theory is that Kent Smith is descended from one of Robert's other sons, either James or Zachariah because he, Junior and I differ by two markers each respectively. Perhaps this has something to do with the mutation rate in our family. I'd have to see more test results from proven Robert Mackay descendants to know how the pattern developed. Junior is descended from Moses Mackay and Mary Job.

Michael, can you post they way in which we can contact "Family Tree DNA" to see about being tested.

Never mind, I gooley it and found the site. I could not get your link to the site to work.

Need your input as to the different test/prices listed? Which one did you use?

If I use my one of my sons:Travis Dee or Brandan Paul, their oldest female blood line would give me the same information if I submitted a test, right ?

I am curious to see what group their German blood line will show. Their surname I would registry as BOCK not Buck.