robertmackayclan

I am proud to announce that I finally got the skin out of my brothers mouth and have officially been notified that they have begun testing. We should have tentative results by April 24. It's easy to lead a brother to the kit but you can't make him scrape!!!

Dee, I wish all of this was as easy as they make it seem on PBS.


Here's hoping that he didn't eat before he scraped.

Bibby

In the Public TV program the African-American people tested "the tester" have different tribe in African to compare their test subject.

I do not know if the same had been done with various groups in Scotland.

I have asked the question before, does they tested Mackay subject show the various racial groups that made up Scotland: Pict, Roman, Nordic, Norman etc.....

He'll join a group of us comprising three other Robert Mackay descendants, plus two individuals of the Kee (Key) surname.

We three differ by two markers respectively which got me to thinking that it's possible that this is normal for testers whose common ancestor is one of Robert's sons apiece. Junior McKay descends from Moses McKay and Mary Job and Kent Smith's ancestry is unknown, but I believe he has to be from either James or Zachariah.

We'll see how your brother's test results compare with ours.

L.D.S. 4 fiche 6087717 has the book "More Keys" by Parallee Keys Hoot, dealing with Robert Keyes about 1630 removed from England to Watertown, MA with his two sons Soloman & Joseph. Married a Sarah.....? and died 1647 Newbury, MA.

Perhaps it will have interesting information. Stated that some of his family members removed down to VA. They have Brown in their blood line, which is why I am ordering it in the first place.

How far back in time does Kent Smith have his ancestor? And what location.

Zachariah MacKay/Mckay had only one son and we have a later generation.
I believe his descendants moved south

James Mackay/McKay we have a greater number. His in OH, IN ect....

He can trace back to his great-great-grandfather who has the Smith name but doesn't have anything further yet.

The story goes that he was an orphan and that his name was likely not Smith and was adopted by a Smith couple. I've pondered the possibility of a Smith-McKay connection being that it's highly likely that his father was a McKay and that both parents died and he either went to his mother's brother (who was a Smith) or his mother's sister (who married a Smith) or else his father's sister (who married a Smith).

Being that his DNA pattern matches mine in the same degree that Junior McKay's does (two markers different) it's very likely that he is a descendant of Robert McKay Sr. Although the name may have been changed, the paternal Y-DNA connection remains the same.

L.D.S. 4 fiche 6087717 has the book "More Keys" by Parallee Keys Hoot, dealing with Robert Keyes about 1630 removed from England to Watertown, MA with his two sons Soloman & Joseph. Married a Sarah.....? and died 1647 Newbury, MA.

Perhaps it will have interesting information. Stated that some of his family members removed down to VA. They have Brown in their blood line, which is why I am ordering it in the first place.

There were other groups of McKays (Keys) who ended up in Massachussetts. I've been contacted by one dealing with the DNA issue. Unfortunately her DNA test subject (I assume it was her brother) didn't match ours closely.

Only proves that other people named Mackay altered their surname spelling in much the same way as the Keys connected to us did.

He can trace back to his great-great-grandfather who has the Smith name but doesn't have anything further yet.

The story goes that he was an orphan and that his name was likely not Smith and was adopted by a Smith couple. I've pondered the possibility of a Smith-McKay connection being that it's highly likely that his father was a McKay and that both parents died and he either went to his mother's brother (who was a Smith) or his mother's sister (who married a Smith) or else his father's sister (who married a Smith).

Being that his DNA pattern matches mine in the same degree that Junior McKay's does (two markers different) it's very likely that he is a descendant of Robert McKay Sr. Although the name may have been changed, the paternal Y-DNA connection remains the same.

In the location that I have studied court records are available for orphans. Or he could start with census records.

In the Public TV program the African-American people tested "the tester" have different tribe in African to compare their test subject.

I do not know if the same had been done with various groups in Scotland.

I have asked the question before, does they tested Mackay subject show the various racial groups that made up Scotland: Pict, Roman, Nordic, Norman etc.....

Dee,

I saw that program and it was really interesting They had to have had really good scientists working on them BUT what I got back was kind of a swirl over the world of where my ancestors originated then they broke it down to how many points of countries in which I had markers such as 39-United Kingdom, 25-Scotland, Wales-4, 61-Ireland, England-43,Great Briton-5 and British Isles-5. I believe that my markers were tested against other person's markers who have been tested in this program from these countries and sent me who I matched.

I think in the future they will be able to descern between Picts, Vikings, etc. but not as of yet. I would be very interested in that.

My email is bibby.appleby@netcare-il.com. If you like send me your email and I will email my results to you so you can see what it all looks like. It's a lot different than the tv program. I'm still trying to figure out the site.

Bibby

He'll join a group of us comprising three other Robert Mackay descendants, plus two individuals of the Kee (Key) surname.

We three differ by two markers respectively which got me to thinking that it's possible that this is normal for testers whose common ancestor is one of Robert's sons apiece. Junior McKay descends from Moses McKay and Mary Job and Kent Smith's ancestry is unknown, but I believe he has to be from either James or Zachariah.

We'll see how your brother's test results compare with ours.

Michael,

This will be very interesting to see if he is also 2 markers off. One problem, I didn't get his kit through the McKay plan and can't find how to get him on it. Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Bibby

It shouldn't be a problem if you ordered the testing kit through Family Tree DNA. Most members in our group who had their DNA tested did it through them. Other companies may test markers that Family Tree DNA doesn't test which is the case for Junior McKay. Plus Family Tree DNA can easily convert the test results to Y-search.

Once you get his results back you should go ahead and set up a Y-search account.

I'm also a participant in the Kee DNA study which is where I found my matches with Justin and Richard.

Dee,

I saw that program and it was really interesting They had to have had really good scientists working on them BUT what I got back was kind of a swirl over the world of where my ancestors originated then they broke it down to how many points of countries in which I had markers such as 39-United Kingdom, 25-Scotland, Wales-4, 61-Ireland, England-43,Great Briton-5 and British Isles-5. I believe that my markers were tested against other person's markers who have been tested in this program from these countries and sent me who I matched.

I think in the future they will be able to descern between Picts, Vikings, etc. but not as of yet. I would be very interested in that.

My email is bibby.appleby@netcare-il.com. If you like send me your email and I will email my results to you so you can see what it all looks like. It's a lot different than the tv program. I'm still trying to figure out the site.

Bibby

On page 8 of this site, I posted results from a DNA study run by MacNeil family and they are showing three major break downs.

Celtic
Norse-Viking
Collonsay Y

I really do not know what the last group is.

So my question with the Mackay studies--those having been run--are they showing any of the above groups ??. "European" as Michael has stated with his Y marker really not helpful. If his Y marker goes back to Europe, really not Scottish.

Since it appears we're of Haplogroup R1b1 this is what is termed a Western European group and is generally what some folks call the 'Celtic' marker.

This can be a bit misleading because Western Europe was settled in waves of conquests which brought changes in languages and cultures even though the basic populations remained virtually unchanged. This particular group is common in the British Isles, France, Spain and Portugal which were largely dominated by Celtic tribes in pre-Roman times.

The most common group in northern Europe is said to be R1a which is generally looked at as being the 'Viking' marker.

There are Mackays in more than one of these haplogroups which I take to mean that the surname was acquired in a variety of ways.