robertmackayclan

Only one problem though, if he takes the test we'll only have two to go on, so if it doesn't prove to be a match, which one would be at fault?

I think if it does match it would help cement the Robert Mackay DNA link.

We'll need participation from other male Robert Mackay descendants with the name Mackay to make the tests worthwhile. Specifically those who connect with the earlier generations.

The person from James MacKay Sr. does have good documentation that their male line is coming from Robert MacKay Sr. just like you do. If they do not match, then-- think I stated before the females in your blood line have to be truely the mother of each generation of MacKay for both lines being tested.

You might try to e-mail Junior McKay, I think he comes from the Moses MacKay Sr. line.

Let's hope you get a match.

I will have to continue to do the real working getting more records in early NJ to MA. The earliest record I have on MacKay in MA was James MacKay as witness of deed 1695/6. I think he had been one of the prisoners.

You might check to see if members of the COY family have submitted to D.N.A. test. They claim descend from one of the MacKay of early MA.

Only one problem though, if he takes the test we'll only have two to go on, so if it doesn't prove to be a match, which one would be at fault?

I think if it does match it would help cement the Robert Mackay DNA link.

We'll need participation from other male Robert Mackay descendants with the name Mackay to make the tests worthwhile. Specifically those who connect with the earlier generations.

I have documentations that some of the MacKay of early MA removed to CT. I couldn't find our Robert among them. You might see if people who had ancestors who lived in early CT.

I looked at my Family Tree DNA account and discovered that I now have two 12/12 matches. The second match is of a man with the last name of 'Kee'.

I seem to recall that you were looking at the name 'Kee' at one point as being connected to our Robert Mackay Sr.

Thanks for the info. on your McKay line. When you say 'I turned out to be an I', I'm assuming that you're referring to the MTDNA test since females can't take the Y-DNA test.

My MTDNA group is H and the farthest female line only ancestor I have back is Rachel E. Smith.

Yes, I am an "I" I am, I am. It is the MTDNA test.

Bibby

There is a woman who visits our L.D.S. center here in Fairfax who is really into DNA testing, I need to talk to her. I think she has given to the center a book called "DNA For Dummies".

I do not think your female test will help Michael with his "Y" tracing of the male line.

The female test might tell you more about your make up, but not help us.

When I am at the center I am spending all my time reading film and really do not have time to "chat" with the other people.

I looked at my Family Tree DNA account and discovered that I now have two 12/12 matches. The second match is of a man with the last name of 'Kee'.

I seem to recall that you were looking at the name 'Kee' at one point as being connected to our Robert Mackay Sr.

Michael, it will be better for me to send you a three pages of notes about what I have found out about the other Scottish Prisoners. What you will see is the same first names given to their different sets of children.

Also they each had a 1/2 dozen or so children and all lived to produce their own children, just like our Robert. The author about the descendants of Daniel remarked on this fact. Robert fathered nine children:

Mary, Robert, Margaret, James, Zachariah, Hannah, Leah, Elizabeth & Moses.

Given the hardship of the times, to have nine children and all had children is note worthy.

Daniel Mackay had nine children: Sarah, Nathaniel, Daniel, Mary (twice), Jacob, Hannah, Ebenezer & Experience, I know one of his sons removed to CT

Archibald Mackay had nine children: Hannah, Wm., John, Nathaniel, Abigail, Edward, Elizabeth, Nehemiah & Mary. His son Edward named two daughters: Hannah & Elizabeth, his descendants removed to CT under the name COY.

Hugh Mackay & his son John, grandchildren: John, Mary, Samuel, Elizabeth, Anna, Daniel & Samuel (twice)

Robert Mackay (son of one of the emigrate) had Alexander (twice), Elizabeth, George, Mary & Robert, he removed to CT.

I have to order more film in NJ & MA just a matter of finding the time to do so. "We" have already check the New England Computer bank for our Robert but nothing appeared. I have now a year of 1705 in NJ for our Robert, and he would have been about 24 years of age when he witness the land deed.

There is a woman who visits our L.D.S. center here in Fairfax who is really into DNA testing, I need to talk to her. I think she has given to the center a book called "DNA For Dummies".

I do not think your female test will help Michael with his "Y" tracing of the male line.

The female test might tell you more about your make up, but not help us.

When I am at the center I am spending all my time reading film and really do not have time to "chat" with the other people.

Yes, Dee, I know that my DNA doesn't work for him. I am ordering a kit for my brother who is supposed to show up here the first of July and will order him when and how to do the scrapings.

I have to admit that I understand very little about DNA, except for the letters and would be interested in learning more about MTDNA and what you can find.

Thanks,

Bibby

I think there is a book dealing with D.N.A. I am looking for a person who can explain it all to me, in simple "English".

Genealogy, as far as what I doing is the collection documents. And I do not collect information on people who are still alive.

D.N.A is a rather simple thing to do, but the results are not the same as legal documents. As far as I can tell it will really only give the person being tested your single male line in racial terms.I have run into a lot of people who want to claim "Native American" ancestry. I think the famale test (perhaps male test) can prove or misprove that claim.

It will still be interesting for you to see your own results.

There have been interesting TV spots on the History Channel & WETA (public TV) with D.N.A study in archaeology. These bones tested were far beyond in time when surnames were used. WETA also had the study of African-American testing being done, which was very interesting.

In any case, keep us posted.

I looked at my Family Tree DNA account and discovered that I now have two 12/12 matches. The second match is of a man with the last name of 'Kee'.

I seem to recall that you were looking at the name 'Kee' at one point as being connected to our Robert Mackay Sr.

As possible "Y" DNA matches to look for or not.

1. Page 94 of Doughtie's book Dr. Robert Mackey of Wincheter, his will probated 2 May 1814. His will did give us the names of his children. Only one son John Mackey who married Rebecca Holmes McGuire. You will find his name through out the Frederick Co. VA records. He was a Justice of the Peace and on lots of committees. I have not been able to figure out his parentage.

2. Page 95 of Doughtie book: family members started by Rober MCKEE. He had a lot of son, but I do not think related to our family. This family members removed west in OH, IN etc....

3. The family group I am really interested in would be John Mackay who was transported in 1651 to Northumberland Co. VA in ship captained by John Hull. He received a patent for land in Frederick Co. VA from Lord Thomas Fairfax. I do not know if he was the father of James & Mary McKay of Frederick Co. VA (not our Robert's son) & Alexander McKay of Shenandoah Co. VA. It would be VERY interesting if he was related to the group of MacKay taken to MA in 1651. I have on my list of films to order through State of VA library early land deeds of Northumberland Co. VA. I would really like to find a real record where one of these MacKay state where in Scotland they lived before VA. There is a posting about James & Mary MacKay of FREDERICK Co. VA posted on your page 53. Years ago I was contacted by another McKay research who was interested in this couple, but he never returned my letter.

As far as our McKay of Shenandoah Co. VA, the biggest group James Sr. they all removed into IN or OH. I will have to wait to study the other McKay of that area when I start to abtract Shenandoah Co. VA wills and land deeds. There is a researcher trying to connect a Shepherd McCoy (natural son) with "our" Enoch McKay. So far, I have no evidence he fathered said Shepherd McCoy.

I got a reply from the Kee descendant who showed a match with me. Apparently he has a match with another individual named 'Key' and they went further to trace a 23/25 match. So, naturally I should match with this 'Key' individual as well.

His earliest ancestors lived in Surry and Isle of Wight Counties in Virginia.

A family tale about them possibly being 'Mackay' or 'McKee' and dropping the 'Mc' when moving from Scotland to England was mentioned to me as well.

When I get the ok, I'll post his message on our forum here.

Would be interesting to know if these Kees go back to Massachusetts or not. Perhaps a relationship exists prior to emigration. If so, then finding out what part of Scotland they lived in before moving to England might yield some clues.

I was told by someone doing Mackay research on the Clan Mackay, USA website that because of the age of our family, finding them in old church records in Scotland would be extremely difficult since the old Gaelic peasantry was largely illiterate and only noble families had their records preserved.

There are literally hundreds of Robert Mackays in Scottish records and other Robert Mackays came to North America.