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Posted: 9:50 AM - Oct 20, 2006
Dee Ann Buck
After a year I've finally received a match from another person surnamed 'McKay'. At present I do not know his lineage but I do know he lives in Ohio.
I looked his name up in Kate's book but didn't find it so either he descends from another branch of our family other than Moses who went to Southwestern Ohio or his line simply hasn't been traced yet in her book.
Another possibility is he could be descended from another Mackay instead of Robert. If that's the case then we might have something to ponder here. So far, in regards to our family we only know of Robert and his three wives and children. We know nothing of his parents, siblings etc. All we know is from Quaker records.
If he does descend from our Robert then it only helps to solidify the DNA record for our Robert Mackay Sr.
What the Y-DNA project will not do is erase the erroneous records that have mis-identified our Robert as being the son of Hugh Mackay & Jane Dunbar.
That is, this individual could list as his pedigree as being from Robert (which would be correct) but also stating that Robert is Hugh Mackay & Jane Dunbar's son which we know cannot be correct.
Research and documentation are still very important here. The Y-DNA project, if it does what I hope it will do is connect our family with some other Mackays (or perhaps people with the same matches but different surnames) and if we can see where their earliest ancestor came from it might hold a clue that our Robert may have come from the same location.
I only present the known facts on Robert Mackay Sr. on this website. Most of the information is based on Dee Ann's research. I know of no other person who has as much documentation on Robert Mackay Sr.
According to B.M. Doughtie's book "The Mackeys" the descendants of Hugh MacKay & Jane Dunbar settled in GA. So if people submitted their D.N.A. who claim MacKay from that location those test might be interesting.
Posted: 10:20 AM - Oct 20, 2006
Michael McKay
My job--as I see it--is to document my Mackay line back to the emigrate. The blood line in Scotland--I would not be sure I could really find good documentation.
Our Robert was born c1675 to c1685. His father if I can document back to the prisoners born c1633 (I am thinking James). That's about four or five generations earlier than the ones who arrived during the French & Indian War. These Mackay were from Scotland and not Northern Ireland/Ireland, as people have tried to tag "our" Robert.
I just hope Mr. Coy has good documentation as to the birth place of his Daniel Mackay. That could help us and the other group of Mackays. I think it is too much to hope he will show the relationship-- if any--between his Daniel and the other Mackays. The fact he named his oldest son Alexander gives me hope they are related. His family group also used the names Hannah, Elizabeth & Jacob.
The man in OH could be descendant of "our" Robert's or one of his cousins. He will just have to do futher research at his local library.
It could be you have more hits because the submitted samples are not from the right group of Mackays. Look for people who can trace their lines back to early MA.
The way the Y-DNA test works is it is from a sample of the Y Chromasome that can only be found in males. Therefore, it has to be a straight male line only thing. The Mitochondrial or MTDNA test is the reverse, being traced only through a straight female line.
Neither of these markers have anything to do with a person's physical appearance.
Therefore, the only way the Y-DNA test will work for us is if other male members of our family (who have the 'McKay' name) can submit their test results. That way we could establish a pattern common for Robert Mackay descendants that can be used against other people being tested.
This person in Ohio who doesn't have documentation it would prove interesting if he isn't a descendant of Robert Mackay Sr. That would mean that others in Robert's family (prior to Robert) came to North America.
Unfortunately, I sense that we are going to prove to be unique in all of this and any match we get are simply just going to be other descendants of Robert Mackay Sr.
Posted: 10:23 AM - Oct 20, 2006
Michael McKay
From what I see from your posting concerning D.N.A. study. We have documented our line farther back in time. The other groups of Mackay have to reach back to us-- we do not reach down to them. They have to get their blood lines back into the 1600's like we have done through library work.
Your D.N.A markers could represent the oldest Mackay family found in U.S.A. Time will tell if I can prove that with documentation.
From the works of David Dobson and other original records I see no older group of Mackays living in the area. The other waves of Scottish emigrate 1715 & 1745 are too late for our Robert. Remember Robert Mackay was in NJ by 1705/6.
I believe we are the oldest Mackay family in the U.S.A. We pre-date the U.S.A. itself.
The Georgia Mackays will likely match each other in various groups. I would be hesitant to say that they are all related to each other as many of them are likely refugees of the clearances and there were many people named 'Mackay' in Scotland at that time.
Our family was firmly planted here whilst that was going on.
The same results would hold true for those Mackays in Nova Scotia. Many of them trace back to the mid 1700s.
An interesting article about Front Royal lists our Robert Mackay Sr. as the first settler in Warren County, VA.
Posted: 10:36 AM - Oct 20, 2006
Dee Ann Buck
Did this article say where Robert MacKay lived before VA ?
Posted: 11:01 AM - Oct 20, 2006
Michael McKay
Here's the article about Front Royal.
http://www.hottubheavenproperties.com/history.html
It doesn't say where Robert came before that. It just refers to him as a 'Scotch Quaker'.
Posted: 12:50 PM - Dec 02, 2013
Dee Ann Buck
You might want to look at a posting on Rootweb/MacNeil board. They are running a DNA project have 50 members. What they have recorded is not a shock knowing just a little about Scottish history. They have identified:
1. Barra Celtic-Y
2. Barra Norse--Viking Y
3. Collonsay Y
Perhaps some of this will make sense to you.
In any case run by Vince MacNeil
www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil/
Found on Ancestry DNA site I have only one Autosomal Match with another researcher.
Kathy's line oldest known Mary MacNeil born 1774 married Samuel Boswell, lived in Overton Co. TN.
My John MacNeil had the only one daughter (that we know) Sarah married David Ball. I have no additional information if he had male cousins by name of MacNeil.
It will be interesting if I can find a line of my MacNeil who removed to TN.