robertmackayclan

After a year I've finally received a match from another person surnamed 'McKay'. At present I do not know his lineage but I do know he lives in Ohio.

I looked his name up in Kate's book but didn't find it so either he descends from another branch of our family other than Moses who went to Southwestern Ohio or his line simply hasn't been traced yet in her book.

Another possibility is he could be descended from another Mackay instead of Robert. If that's the case then we might have something to ponder here. So far, in regards to our family we only know of Robert and his three wives and children. We know nothing of his parents, siblings etc. All we know is from Quaker records.

If he does descend from our Robert then it only helps to solidify the DNA record for our Robert Mackay Sr.

What the Y-DNA project will not do is erase the erroneous records that have mis-identified our Robert as being the son of Hugh Mackay & Jane Dunbar.

That is, this individual could list as his pedigree as being from Robert (which would be correct) but also stating that Robert is Hugh Mackay & Jane Dunbar's son which we know cannot be correct.

Research and documentation are still very important here. The Y-DNA project, if it does what I hope it will do is connect our family with some other Mackays (or perhaps people with the same matches but different surnames) and if we can see where their earliest ancestor came from it might hold a clue that our Robert may have come from the same location.

I only present the known facts on Robert Mackay Sr. on this website. Most of the information is based on Dee Ann's research. I know of no other person who has as much documentation on Robert Mackay Sr.

You might want to look at a posting on Rootweb/MacNeil board. They are running a DNA project have 50 members. What they have recorded is not a shock knowing just a little about Scottish history. They have identified:

1. Barra Celtic-Y

2. Barra Norse--Viking Y

3. Collonsay Y

Perhaps some of this will make sense to you.

In any case run by Vince MacNeil

www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil/

Yes it does make sense to me. It's similar to the results found for the Ferguson DNA project. There was said to be a family named Ferguson that did not originate from Mac Fergus. They were said to be of Norse origin and I don't remember off-hand what the Norse name it was supposed to come from.

Such could be true about the name Mackay which would explain why out of all the participents only myself and the other McKay (presumably a Robert descendant) match and three other Mackays match each other (not to our family). With the other three matching Mackays, each one spelled his name differently. With ours they were spelled as we've commonly spelled ours as 'McKay' although we know originally Robert spelled his as 'Mackay'.

All of the other Mackay DNA participents do not match each other.

Interestingly we also match an individual with the surname George. I was told that there were likely two reasons for this. One being the mutation in his family shifted to match ours. The other being when surnames were established his ancestor ended up taking the 'George' surname and ours became 'Mackay'. This of course meaning we could possibly have a common ancestor with this George individual back in the 1300s and not as recently as Robert.

With my match with the other McKay individual the next step would be to test more DNA segments. That's what the Hollingsworth project has done with Valentine Hollingsworth. They've got matches from people in England who are possibly descended from Valentine's brothers or cousins.

Hopefully we'll start having that kind of luck. If so, it could help in finding a place to look for where our Robert Mackay Sr. came from. It might end up being a place we least expect. Then again, it could be in Scotland all along.

You might want to look at a posting on Rootweb/MacNeil board. They are running a DNA project have 50 members. What they have recorded is not a shock knowing just a little about Scottish history. They have identified:

1. Barra Celtic-Y

2. Barra Norse--Viking Y

3. Collonsay Y

Perhaps some of this will make sense to you.

In any case run by Vince MacNeil

www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil/

Here is the link to the Ferguson DNA project. They have good reading material on the origin of surnames:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... index.html

Like stated on their page, our Mackay family history might not be connected to the Clan Mackay chiefs and we may not even share the history of the great Clan Mackay of Strathnaver. Our Robert Mackay Sr.'s origins may not even be connected at all to the Clan Mackay or the lesser known Mackay families of the southwestern islands in Scotland.

So why should we assume, without proof, that he comes from Scotland and write it as a fact? Unless we have evidence we only have tales and sometimes tales are made up, embellished over the years.

After a year I've finally received a match from another person surnamed 'McKay'. At present I do not know his lineage but I do know he lives in Ohio.

I looked his name up in Kate's book but didn't find it so either he descends from another branch of our family other than Moses who went to Southwestern Ohio or his line simply hasn't been traced yet in her book.

Another possibility is he could be descended from another Mackay instead of Robert. If that's the case then we might have something to ponder here. So far, in regards to our family we only know of Robert and his three wives and children. We know nothing of his parents, siblings etc. All we know is from Quaker records.

If he does descend from our Robert then it only helps to solidify the DNA record for our Robert Mackay Sr.

What the Y-DNA project will not do is erase the erroneous records that have mis-identified our Robert as being the son of Hugh Mackay & Jane Dunbar.

That is, this individual could list as his pedigree as being from Robert (which would be correct) but also stating that Robert is Hugh Mackay & Jane Dunbar's son which we know cannot be correct.

Research and documentation are still very important here. The Y-DNA project, if it does what I hope it will do is connect our family with some other Mackays (or perhaps people with the same matches but different surnames) and if we can see where their earliest ancestor came from it might hold a clue that our Robert may have come from the same location.

I only present the known facts on Robert Mackay Sr. on this website. Most of the information is based on Dee Ann's research. I know of no other person who has as much documentation on Robert Mackay Sr.

In the D.N.A. study you are comparing your sample, have any of the people documented their blood line back to the Mackay prisoners from the Battle of Worchester ?

Have the blood line included in the study go back to the 1600's ?

This group of Mackay blood line would come from only six men.

I hope to either find the evidence for "our" Robert by Thanksgiving, or the film through L.D.S. library has not been filmed.

I have been able to document that the Daniel Mackay (various spelling) information already listed on the board was one of the prisoners and his children and grandchilden lived in MA to CT and later generations then moved to the mid-west. I really do not believe the location of his birth as posted by members of the L.D.S. church.

I believe I read the people going to the Battles of Dunbar & Worchester came from Aberdeen, Scotland. If you query on the net "Battle of Worchester" three other web site state their ancestors (other surnames on the list, not Mackay) were from these prisoners and they seem to be saying they came from Aberdeen, Scotland.

I hope a family history (dealing with Daniel MacKay descendants) offered by L.D.S. library will be in next week. I have ordered a batch of films dealing with CT.

Harry Coy who submitted his family history, descends from Daniel Mackay of early MA, states in his blub decribing his work, has traced his Mackay line back to "clan MacAoidh of fourteenth century, Scotland". I would not hold much hope he has the evidence to support the documentation of a line back into early middle ages. But perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised.

In the D.N.A. study you are comparing your sample, have any of the people documented their blood line back to the Mackay prisoners from the Battle of Worchester ?

Have the blood line included in the study go back to the 1600's ?

This group of Mackay blood line would come from only six men.

I hope to either find the evidence for "our" Robert by Thanksgiving, or the film through L.D.S. library has not been filmed.

I have been able to document that the Daniel Mackay (various spelling) information already listed on the board was one of the prisoners and his children and grandchilden lived in MA to CT and later generations then moved to the mid-west. I really do not believe the location of his birth as posted by members of the L.D.S. church.

I believe I read the people going to the Battles of Dunbar & Worchester came from Aberdeen, Scotland. If you query on the net "Battle of Worchester" three other web site state their ancestors (other surnames on the list, not Mackay) were from these prisoners and they seem to be saying they came from Aberdeen, Scotland.

I hope a family history (dealing with Daniel MacKay descendants) offered by L.D.S. library will be in next week. I have ordered a batch of films dealing with CT.

Another way I am trying to solve the parentage of "our" Robert MacKay, is by readling micofiche dealing with the descendants of the people who arrived to early MA in 1630 in the ship "Mary and John". These records they have on micofiche at L.D.S. library. If I find a connection with the Mackay family the public library has further information about the families. Also the Fairfax Public Library as a large collection of CT Historical Booklet.

So there are plenty of records in New England I have still to read, I am afraid I have run out of records to look at dealing with NJ.

In the D.N.A. study you are comparing your sample, have any of the people documented their blood line back to the Mackay prisoners from the Battle of Worchester ?

Have the blood line included in the study go back to the 1600's ?

This group of Mackay blood line would come from only six men.

I hope to either find the evidence for "our" Robert by Thanksgiving, or the film through L.D.S. library has not been filmed.

I have been able to document that the Daniel Mackay (various spelling) information already listed on the board was one of the prisoners and his children and grandchilden lived in MA to CT and later generations then moved to the mid-west. I really do not believe the location of his birth as posted by members of the L.D.S. church.

I believe I read the people going to the Battles of Dunbar & Worchester came from Aberdeen, Scotland. If you query on the net "Battle of Worchester" three other web site state their ancestors (other surnames on the list, not Mackay) were from these prisoners and they seem to be saying they came from Aberdeen, Scotland.

I hope a family history (dealing with Daniel MacKay descendants) offered by L.D.S. library will be in next week. I have ordered a batch of films dealing with CT.

I'm not aware of anyone showing a connection to those Mackays. I have so far been matched to one person named McKay who lives in the vicinity of Zanesville, Ohio.

Unfortunately I've not heard anything from him and he doesn't appear to have any line of descent posted. My guess is he is simply another descendant of our Robert Mackay Sr.

We do not match any of the others on the Mackay list. Three persons on the list match each other but they all appear to descend from a British military officer: The rest of the participants show no matches with each other which I didn't find surprising.

My job--as I see it--is to document my Mackay line back to the emigrate. The blood line in Scotland--I would not be sure I could really find good documentation.

Our Robert was born c1675 to c1685. His father if I can document back to the prisoners born c1633 (I am thinking James). That's about four or five generations earlier than the ones who arrived during the French & Indian War. These Mackay were from Scotland and not Northern Ireland/Ireland, as people have tried to tag "our" Robert.

I just hope Mr. Coy has good documentation as to the birth place of his Daniel Mackay. That could help us and the other group of Mackays. I think it is too much to hope he will show the relationship-- if any--between his Daniel and the other Mackays. The fact he named his oldest son Alexander gives me hope they are related. His family group also used the names Hannah, Elizabeth & Jacob.

The man in OH could be descendant of "our" Robert's or one of his cousins. He will just have to do futher research at his local library.

It could be you have more hits because the submitted samples are not from the right group of Mackays. Look for people who can trace their lines back to early MA.

From what I see from your posting concerning D.N.A. study. We have documented our line farther back in time. The other groups of Mackay have to reach back to us-- we do not reach down to them. They have to get their blood lines back into the 1600's like we have done through library work.

Your D.N.A markers could represent the oldest Mackay family found in U.S.A. Time will tell if I can prove that with documentation.

From the works of David Dobson and other original records I see no older group of Mackays living in the area. The other waves of Scottish emigrate 1715 & 1745 are too late for our Robert. Remember Robert Mackay was in NJ by 1705/6.