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Is Hugh MacKay the father of our Robert, Sr, that died in 1752 in VA

On a recent trip to Scotland, I found a book on the MacKay Clan (“Your Clan Heritage,
Clan MacKay”, compiled by Alan McNie, Cascade Publishing Company, Jedburgh,
Scotland) that had some interesting items about General Hugh MacKay. McKay
researchers of the Robert MacKay, Sr. line have all probably heard the various theories
about Robert MacKay, Sr being born in Belfast, Ireland or in Freehold, NJ or Chester Co,
PA or Cecil Co, MD. This book might shed some light on how this confusion exists.

Some excerpts from the book are “Hugh MacKay, cousin of the first Lord Reay, had
served abroad as a volunteer in both the French and Dutch armies, and was ultimately
appointed Colonel of the Scots Brigade of Holland, by the Prince of Orange (later King
William III).

When the Prince of Orange landed at Tobat, Ireland, with his forces on November 5th,
1688, he was accompanied by six regiments composed wholly of Britons. The fleet was
divided into three squadrons, and all the English and Scots of the party sailed under the
red flag, commanded by General Hugh MacKay, a Scotsman of noble family.

General Hugh MacKay sent continuous accounts of his movements in Scotland to the
Scottish ministers of King William.” (Remember this for later)

Lets assume (a nasty word in genealogy, but humor me) for a moment that Hugh is the
father of Robert, Sr. The book mentioned above explains that after General Hugh
MacKay’s loss in the battle at Killiecrankie, Scotland, he was still useful to the King by
serving ably in Ireland where the memorable Revolution of 1688 was finally effected. (This
would give support to the theory of how Robert was born in Ireland and would place
Hugh in Ireland about the right time for Robert to be born). He then crossed over to the
Continent (Europe) to assist King William in his wars with France. Hugh was later killed
in the Battle of Steenkirk, France, in 1692 while attacking a French Camp. (This defines
Hugh’s movements within a 4 year period and would mean that Robert would have to be
born before 1692 for Hugh to be his father. If Hugh is the father of our Robert, Sr., then
Robert was probably born in Ireland in the 1680’s and later came to the U.S. after 1700.)

I have always wondered how Robert was able to obtain the land grant in VA. This was
not easily done without connections to the King at that time. If Hugh was the father of
Robert, this would also lend some support for who his connections were, King William
who thought highly of Hugh. It is stated in the book mentioned above that King William
attended the funeral of Hugh and said “There he lies; and no honester man the world
cannot produce.”

If Hugh MacKay had no children named Robert, then this theory could be put to rest. If he
does, then we have more support for Hugh to be the father of our Robert, Sr. and that he
was probably born in Ireland. With this information, I think it might be best served to
determine Hugh’s family descendants from the Scotland side. Does anyone have contacts
in Scotland that might be able to provide this information?

It appears that the Hugh Mackay you are referring to is the one found on this page in the website:


Clan Mackay (Bonnie Dundee and General Hugh Mackay (by Kenneth Morgan))


This was from a message posted at a forum by Mr. Kenneth Morgan who has some knowledge of European history.


This is of course a different Hugh Mackay being spoken of here than the CAPTAIN Hugh Mackay that was mentioned in the LDS records.


Two things we always have to consider when trying to establish a connection are the dates and places events happened.


Robert's will was probated on the seventh Day of October 1746.


Also, according to Dee Ann Buck who has done research on the early members of our family his children were at least all born here, possibly in Freehold, Monmouth County, NJ. These were all born during the early 1700s.


Robert obviously couldn't have been in Scotland during the 1700s because of these things.


Also, Robert was married three times. Only his 3rd wife is mentioned in his will but it is made plain that this is not the mother of his children as the codicil attached to the will indicates he made special arrangements for her care which he forgot to do when he wrote his original will.


This is the reason why we see his name being spelled in different ways throughout the will. The first part or the will itself is by his own hand and he spells his name as "Mackay". The remaining parts were put in by some court official which is why it is spelled as "McCoy".


Robert always signed his name "Mackay" with the "a" over the "c" which I believe when looking at it you can see why it became common to spell our name as "McKay". The "a" was probably accidentally overlooked.


Even his grandson Andrew spelled the name as "Mackay" as indicated in Hopewell Friends History.


Anyway, I do think that when we do go about looking for info. we need to make sure it all fits together.


Remember, children cannot be older than their parents.

Let please !!! remember we are talking only about a computer bank. The information about our Robert's parentage was MADE UP in Salt Lake, Utah by COMPUTER !!!

There is NO evidence to be found.

Is Hugh MacKay the father of our Robert, Sr, that died in 1752 in VA

On a recent trip to Scotland, I found a book on the MacKay Clan (“Your Clan Heritage,
Clan MacKay”, compiled by Alan McNie, Cascade Publishing Company, Jedburgh,
Scotland) that had some interesting items about General Hugh MacKay. McKay
researchers of the Robert MacKay, Sr. line have all probably heard the various theories
about Robert MacKay, Sr being born in Belfast, Ireland or in Freehold, NJ or Chester Co,
PA or Cecil Co, MD. This book might shed some light on how this confusion exists.

Some excerpts from the book are “Hugh MacKay, cousin of the first Lord Reay, had
served abroad as a volunteer in both the French and Dutch armies, and was ultimately
appointed Colonel of the Scots Brigade of Holland, by the Prince of Orange (later King
William III).

When the Prince of Orange landed at Tobat, Ireland, with his forces on November 5th,
1688, he was accompanied by six regiments composed wholly of Britons. The fleet was
divided into three squadrons, and all the English and Scots of the party sailed under the
red flag, commanded by General Hugh MacKay, a Scotsman of noble family.

General Hugh MacKay sent continuous accounts of his movements in Scotland to the
Scottish ministers of King William.” (Remember this for later)

Lets assume (a nasty word in genealogy, but humor me) for a moment that Hugh is the
father of Robert, Sr. The book mentioned above explains that after General Hugh
MacKay’s loss in the battle at Killiecrankie, Scotland, he was still useful to the King by
serving ably in Ireland where the memorable Revolution of 1688 was finally effected. (This
would give support to the theory of how Robert was born in Ireland and would place
Hugh in Ireland about the right time for Robert to be born). He then crossed over to the
Continent (Europe) to assist King William in his wars with France. Hugh was later killed
in the Battle of Steenkirk, France, in 1692 while attacking a French Camp. (This defines
Hugh’s movements within a 4 year period and would mean that Robert would have to be
born before 1692 for Hugh to be his father. If Hugh is the father of our Robert, Sr., then
Robert was probably born in Ireland in the 1680’s and later came to the U.S. after 1700.)

I have always wondered how Robert was able to obtain the land grant in VA. This was
not easily done without connections to the King at that time. If Hugh was the father of
Robert, this would also lend some support for who his connections were, King William
who thought highly of Hugh. It is stated in the book mentioned above that King William
attended the funeral of Hugh and said “There he lies; and no honester man the world
cannot produce.”

If Hugh MacKay had no children named Robert, then this theory could be put to rest. If he
does, then we have more support for Hugh to be the father of our Robert, Sr. and that he
was probably born in Ireland. With this information, I think it might be best served to
determine Hugh’s family descendants from the Scotland side. Does anyone have contacts
in Scotland that might be able to provide this information?

The way their system is set up, Mr. Junior McKay and all other descendants of Robert MacKay & Ann Brown, ANYONE who now submit a computer disk to Salt Lake, will be listed as a source as the parentage of our Robert as being Hugh McKay of Scotland.

Don't you see this is a major error in their system ? The very documentation as to the parentage of Robert MacKay, they are telling the world you already have it !!!

I am listed as a source for their mistake.

It appears that the Hugh Mackay you are referring to is the one found on this page in the website:


Clan Mackay (Bonnie Dundee and General Hugh Mackay (by Kenneth Morgan))


This was from a message posted at a forum by Mr. Kenneth Morgan who has some knowledge of European history.


This is of course a different Hugh Mackay being spoken of here than the CAPTAIN Hugh Mackay that was mentioned in the LDS records.


Two things we always have to consider when trying to establish a connection are the dates and places events happened.


Robert's will was probated on the seventh Day of October 1746.


Also, according to Dee Ann Buck who has done research on the early members of our family his children were at least all born here, possibly in Freehold, Monmouth County, NJ. These were all born during the early 1700s.


Robert obviously couldn't have been in Scotland during the 1700s because of these things.


Also, Robert was married three times. Only his 3rd wife is mentioned in his will but it is made plain that this is not the mother of his children as the codicil attached to the will indicates he made special arrangements for her care which he forgot to do when he wrote his original will.


This is the reason why we see his name being spelled in different ways throughout the will. The first part or the will itself is by his own hand and he spells his name as "Mackay". The remaining parts were put in by some court official which is why it is spelled as "McCoy".


Robert always signed his name "Mackay" with the "a" over the "c" which I believe when looking at it you can see why it became common to spell our name as "McKay". The "a" was probably accidentally overlooked.


Even his grandson Andrew spelled the name as "Mackay" as indicated in Hopewell Friends History.


Anyway, I do think that when we do go about looking for info. we need to make sure it all fits together.


Remember, children cannot be older than their parents.

Junior pointed out a small error on my part.

Where I said "Robert's will was probated on the seventh Day of October 1746." should actually read "Robert's will was FILED on the seventh Day of October 1746".

The way their system is set up, Mr. Junior McKay and all other descendants of Robert MacKay & Ann Brown, ANYONE who now submit a computer disk to Salt Lake, will be listed as a source as the parentage of our Robert as being Hugh McKay of Scotland.

Don't you see this is a major error in their system ? The very documentation as to the parentage of Robert MacKay, they are telling the world you already have it !!!

I am listed as a source for their mistake.

I agree Mrs. Buck. I noticed that your name was used as a reference to the lineage of Robert MacKay being the son of Hugh and Hugh the son of William and William the son of Donald. I thought you had found the missing link since we last corresponded when I read this. I do not send things to the LDS, so haven't gotten caught up in their system, but if you did not send them this lineage, then they should not publish you as a source.

Leave it to them to misidentify a source.

Try getting them to change it and see how far you get.

I'm really glad we are discussing this. This kind of misinformation gets spread about to so many innocent people who are just getting started and think they've struck gold when it turns out to be nothing more than just fool's gold.

It can be very dissappointing especially when you've grown to believe something and taken great pride in it only to find it wasn't true to begin with.

I agree Mrs. Buck. I noticed that your name was used as a reference to the lineage of Robert MacKay being the son of Hugh and Hugh the son of William and William the son of Donald. I thought you had found the missing link since we last corresponded when I read this. I do not send things to the LDS, so haven't gotten caught up in their system, but if you did not send them this lineage, then they should not publish you as a source.

I have no problem sharing my information with others and I have no problem giving information to the L.D.S.Library. I have send them copies of my books.

But you have missed the point. The information I send them on Robert MacKay's parentage, was not completed. Because I do not have the parentage of Robert McKay. They took it upon themselves to alter, change & add to my computer information to match what they had created by computer.

They have misused the information that I and others are sending them. And I had no reason to believe they would be capable of doing such a thing.

The burden of proof of all the information they are sending out over the internet is on their shoulders and not the people who in "good faith" send in the information.

Is Hugh MacKay the father of our Robert, Sr, that died in 1752 in VA

On a recent trip to Scotland, I found a book on the MacKay Clan (“Your Clan Heritage,
Clan MacKay”, compiled by Alan McNie, Cascade Publishing Company, Jedburgh,
Scotland) that had some interesting items about General Hugh MacKay. McKay
researchers of the Robert MacKay, Sr. line have all probably heard the various theories
about Robert MacKay, Sr being born in Belfast, Ireland or in Freehold, NJ or Chester Co,
PA or Cecil Co, MD. This book might shed some light on how this confusion exists.

Some excerpts from the book are “Hugh MacKay, cousin of the first Lord Reay, had
served abroad as a volunteer in both the French and Dutch armies, and was ultimately
appointed Colonel of the Scots Brigade of Holland, by the Prince of Orange (later King
William III).

When the Prince of Orange landed at Tobat, Ireland, with his forces on November 5th,
1688, he was accompanied by six regiments composed wholly of Britons. The fleet was
divided into three squadrons, and all the English and Scots of the party sailed under the
red flag, commanded by General Hugh MacKay, a Scotsman of noble family.

General Hugh MacKay sent continuous accounts of his movements in Scotland to the
Scottish ministers of King William.” (Remember this for later)

Lets assume (a nasty word in genealogy, but humor me) for a moment that Hugh is the
father of Robert, Sr. The book mentioned above explains that after General Hugh
MacKay’s loss in the battle at Killiecrankie, Scotland, he was still useful to the King by
serving ably in Ireland where the memorable Revolution of 1688 was finally effected. (This
would give support to the theory of how Robert was born in Ireland and would place
Hugh in Ireland about the right time for Robert to be born). He then crossed over to the
Continent (Europe) to assist King William in his wars with France. Hugh was later killed
in the Battle of Steenkirk, France, in 1692 while attacking a French Camp. (This defines
Hugh’s movements within a 4 year period and would mean that Robert would have to be
born before 1692 for Hugh to be his father. If Hugh is the father of our Robert, Sr., then
Robert was probably born in Ireland in the 1680’s and later came to the U.S. after 1700.)

I have always wondered how Robert was able to obtain the land grant in VA. This was
not easily done without connections to the King at that time. If Hugh was the father of
Robert, this would also lend some support for who his connections were, King William
who thought highly of Hugh. It is stated in the book mentioned above that King William
attended the funeral of Hugh and said “There he lies; and no honester man the world
cannot produce.”

If Hugh MacKay had no children named Robert, then this theory could be put to rest. If he
does, then we have more support for Hugh to be the father of our Robert, Sr. and that he
was probably born in Ireland. With this information, I think it might be best served to
determine Hugh’s family descendants from the Scotland side. Does anyone have contacts
in Scotland that might be able to provide this information?

The whole issue between Lord Fairfax and our Robert McKay & J. Hite was that they got their grants from the Colonial Government in VA and Lord Fairfax got his from the Crown. Thus the
conflict !! No reason for Robert MacKay to know anyone at court. Or may I add he never was at court !!!

Add to this fact Hite & MacKay picked up an older grant given to Van Meter I believe from the Colonial Government of VA.

King had nothing to do with Robert MacKay Sr. land
grant.

Which laid the groundwork for those famous Fairfax Land Suits that we are familiar with.

Those proceedings dragged on for many years and it ended up being Robert's children who continued the struggle.

The basic question of it being "whose land was it anyway? The crown's or the people who lived on it?"