robertmackayclan

Michael, I came over to take a good look. But I have got a big big question. I am not sure how this works, but I think it comes in on the Hunt side. Do you have any Moore family in the Oregon, Washington, or Idaho areas. If you do we might be related...I had gone in 1956 to my grandparents 60 wedding aniversary, and I always remember my father talking about the Moores' and the Hunts'. I do agree with what you had said about the Cherokee. What you don't want to do is to ask a Ute from up here about the Cherokee. What I said about my wife being Cherokee was true, as I have seen the pedigree charts, as well as death certificates, and writeups from news papers and they talk about the Cherokee blood line. I do love to do research as I am working on a college degree in History. Thank you for your time, keep up the good work. Regards Leon Roberts

If you can trace your Moore family to the ones descending from Samuel Moore who lived in the House Mountain region of Rockbridge County, Va. then we would be related. There are a few other Moore families of Rockbridge County, Va. but I don't think they have claims of Indian descent.

As far as I know only the Samuel Moore family claims Indian descent. Also, it has been suggested to me of the possibility that Moore may be an altered form of Morris.

I also descend from a Quaker Moore family that was based in Loudoun County, Va. If you have connections there there could be a relation. Believe it or not the earliest ancestor in that family is also a Samuel Moore (a different person).

I also find that Moore is a name commonly used in other Indian groups. The Ojibwe have a few Moores in them as well.

I'd recommend posting your question about the Moores at the Tuscaroras.com forum. Perhaps you might get an answer there.

Michael I'm not sure exactly where the Moores came from, I thought it was Va. What is also ironic, my grandmother Roberts claimed to be Pennsylvania Dutch. Another name for The Quaker. I also know for a fact that Abigail Ross came from the area of Alexandria Va. I'm not sure whether the Moores tie in through her. I think she is 2greats back. Have you ever seen the movie Broken Chains. The movie deals with six nations, and how they held together. Because of Joseph Brants' doings broke up the Federation. I know Benjamin Franklin used the Federation symble of the Bundle of Arrows, trying to bring the Federation to Colonys' side in the Revolutionary War. I must close it is 8:30 here and I just got off of work...Good Morning- Night Your Friend Leon

Actually Quakers & Pennsylvania Dutch are two different things. The people commonly called Pennsylvania Dutch are Amish & Mennonites. Although some similar beliefs exist between Quakers & Amish & Mennonites in the areas of plainness the two groups have very different ideas on other things. Their church organization is very different.

On to the Six Nations. Benjamin Franklin and a host of the Founding Fathers used a lot of ideas from the Hau-de-no-sau-ne (Iroquois league) in the formation of the U.S. Constitution. In the Tuscarora section is a link to "The Great Binding Law". If you read it carefully you can see some similarities in the laws of the peacemaker and those found within the Constitution. Also, many of the symbols used for the U.S. were taken from Iroquois symbols.

Michael are you studying history in college, I ask you this because you have alot of knowledge. Do you teach? I get involved in Re-enactment groups, I like to go to Rendezvous as well. Do you get involved into something like this. Where are you from? I am out in Northeastern Utah, about 60 miles from both Colorado, and Wyoming. Must close as 4 Am to now has the ability to get very long. Good night friend... Leon

No, I'm not taking any college courses on history. Basically I learned things on my own, particularly where family is concerned.

The only classes I've been taking so far are ones on computer operations but as of right now I'm not taking any classes. Perhaps I'll take another one in the Spring semester.

I live in Winchester, Va. which is where much of my McKay & related families have lived for generations in all of the surrounding areas of Frederick, Clarke, Warren, Shenandoah & Loudoun counties.

I would imagine that many college courses on history would teach mostly a general history of the U.S. (given to political influence) or perhaps when it comes to Indians a skewered version of what happened based on "official" records. (Such as "there are no more Tuscaroras in North Carolina" *yeah whatever*) You'd have to read some of the posts over at the Tuscaroras.com forum to understand what I'm referring to here as well as the pages in my Tuscarora section.

I guess that is as good of title as any. I would say you are right about general history showing one side affairs. But you know things are changing to some extent. I am an old man so forgive me I do forget names, ( The lady teacher that is in Tuscarora. Com) Please forgive me I do forget names...She teaches an Indian History Classes. Here lately they have started classes in Ute History out here at Utah State University. I was asked to come back to the North Eastern Nebraska, this coming July. A young lady (my idea of young Is between 30-40. also. I am close to 50.I have a two year old son, and a two year old grand son.) The Ponca tribe has been (by the Government terms) termed a non existant tribe. The reservation is now a state park. The state of Nebraska has now acknowledged (without the Fed Gov't) that there is an Ponca tribe. The state of Nebraska is sponsoring a seminar on the customs of the Ponca people. I am not sure how they figure it but these are to be lost customs... I do not understand how a state can reintroduce something that is lost. The lady that invited me to this Seminar, heard of my great grand parents, she told me they were a Metis from Canada. This would be my fathers, mothers parents. I was told by another young lady who came from Ft. Hall Idaho reservation. One of fathers uncles had married a Northern Cheyenne woman. I met one of their great grand daughters. I had always felt from what I had read that the Government was realy bound and determined on the anhilation of both the Cheyenne, and the Cherokee. With the Cheyenne it was with Sand Creek Reservation, and Washita Reservation in 1860's. (Custers.) I must close as I am getting long winded again. Have you gotten to see Williamsburgh, or any of those reenactment areas. Do you any reenacting? I must close for now. I'll try to talk to night. Take care my friend. Leon

No. I haven't gotten involved in any of that.

Yes, it does appear that the government has been at times wanting to erase the Indian "problem". They've tried various assimilation schools. The Carlyle Indian school is an example of that. Forced English policies as well.

I for one don't see what the benefit is when it comes to Federal Recognition. Before white people were here there was no such thing as Federal recognition. Besides, I believe that most governments have political agendas when it comes to recognizing tribes. What's their cut in the deal?

Also, I think that trying to get the government to recognize you is like shouting at a brick wall. The real way of reaching out is to the people in general, not the legislative minded bureaucrats who have to legalize and classify everything according to government standards.

I wrote a post over at Tuscaroras.com called "Tuscaroras.com. Prophecy being fulfilled?" which I emphasize on bringing the truth to the people and letting them decide rather than to governments. The guy who writes "Tuscarora Native Peoples News" which is linked to the Tuscarora section of my website asked me if he could include it in his most recent edition of his newsletter. It's on the 2nd page of this month's issue if you want to check it out. It's under my penname of "Maverick" which I use at Tuscaroras.com

You know schools now adays needs teachers that are good in History. Schools need someone who can teach both sides and be unbiased. You would be very good at bringing out both sides. What I have seen is someone that can express himself, be truthfull at the same time. When I get into reenacting, is so I can experience what our forefathers experienced. I'm on my way over to the Tuscarora.com. Take my advice about your education, you have so much to give. Enuff said Friend, Leon Roberts